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 Post subject: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:14 pm 
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Any good advice to keep the universal pucks to stay in place? Seems like 1 ride they move 1cm. By the end of today, I had a ton of play. I'm getting pretty sick of adjusting these f'n things. I have the gaskets on them, put the screws in with locktight, and now I'm running out of ideas.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:23 pm 
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are the screws too long by chance?


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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:48 pm 
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I hate the pucks shifting! I like to fire a single ski screw through the pucks into the board once the placement is perfect. I epoxy the ski screw in place, and nothing ever moves again. This approach also makes the pucks a little stiffer, which I find helps board performance.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:00 pm 
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Why not use RED loctite, instead of epoxy? it is quite effective with "gluing" in fasteners, if you still want to take them apart.


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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:13 pm 
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I am suggesting putting a ski screw through the pucks, and directly into the board. Epoxy is the right stuff for this as it will reinforce the wood core and fiberglass top layer which is holding the screw in place.
I have found that it does not matter how tight the puck mounting screws are, they still shift, the ski screw stops this, and makes the entire puck set up mush stiffer.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:19 pm 
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You might try some grip-tape like what's found on skateboards. Just stick some on the top-sheet under the pucks and you should see a difference. It worked well for a buddy who was having the same problem with puck migration. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:57 pm 
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barrows wrote:
I am suggesting putting a ski screw through the pucks, and directly into the board
I'm too scared to put a wood screw through my Venture. I'll resort to that last, but I definitely think it will work..

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try some grip-tape
I'll give it a shot, sounds like a good idea.

Its just such a pain, and a crappy system in general. If I didn't get sparks and have all the pucks last year I would of seriously considered Karakorum, the pucks are STUPID, they should stay in place for more then 30 seconds of me turning the board.


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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:47 pm 
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Why dont you buy those slider plates and drill some extra holes, and insert a T nut in the board and then you'd have a really stiff solution? It has been posted here in the past, but one of the board members makes these plates
http://wildschnee.de/index.php?page=sho ... &Itemid=27
Also, I think Chair2 boardsports makes them as well. I suppose this is an option if you have your stance angle dialed in already.


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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:22 pm 
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Guys
Like fitit has said you can use solid pucks
This is on an old Burton hole pattern but works the same with the Voile hole spacing

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They will never move like this

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:37 am 
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Like I said, I do not want to drill into my board. I know it will work, but I feel hesitant drilling into my Venture. But I did think, what if I used one of my old DIY pucks, drilled it out into the exact pattern needed for the split, and mount that instead? That could work...

Or I am thinking I could recess the slider track inside the puck a little bit. I'll have to do some playing. thanks for the input guys.


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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:26 pm 
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I would not go down the line of using a DIY puck.
They are injection molded and there is no structure under the puck where you would have to drill the holes and countersink them.
I have tried this, but I filled the bottom side of the DIY puck with resin and then drilled the holes to have solid base.
The problem is that the two dissimilar compound stress and behave differently in the cold and the resin popped out / cracked.
After that I went and made the custom pucks.
Good luck and I think the skate grip sound like it could be the solution.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:33 pm 
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On the Universal Pucks, I fire the ski screw through directly adjacent to the molded in stiffeners (it ends up just adjacent to an inside corner). This way the compression force of the screw is supported by the corner web.
There is no reason to be afraid of putting a ski screw in your board, consider that all skis are mounted this way. Done properly, a ski screw is secure and strong, and well sealed with epoxy at the surface of the board.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Pucks Shifting - How to stop?
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I'm facing the same problem and will soon need to come up with a solution... Which really does suck because gear should work correctly in exchange for the money you pay for it.

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