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 Post subject: Do you always carry short rope when riding in backcountry?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:55 pm 
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I mean not when you climbing a peak or descent very steep terrain.

A short rope which always in my bag, not too heavy and very handy for example if someone stuck in a tree well etc...

What do you suggest how long and what type of rope carry in my bag(30L)?


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 Post subject: Re: Do you always carry short rope when riding in backcountry?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:15 pm 
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I never carry a rope for any of the back country riding that I do but this has come up with some of the group that I spend time with in the mountains. I think the general consensus has been 30 meters of 8mm static line.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you always carry short rope when riding in backcountry?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:35 pm 
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Static is good for rappelling but I wouldn't want to take a fall or catch a fall with it.

I think two people each carrying 30-40 meters dry dynamic would be ideal to cover many situations, but then again, it really depends on the objective.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you always carry short rope when riding in backcountry?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:45 pm 
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I sometimes bring accessory cord as an 'emergency' rope or to cut cornices, etc.

20-30 m of 6 or 7 mm. Most climbing/mountaineering shops sell it by the foot. Take a look next time you go to your local shop and see if it is what you're after.

http://shop.pmirope.com/webbing-and-cor ... x?pageID=4

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 Post subject: Re: Do you always carry short rope when riding in backcountry?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:13 am 
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The group that I've talked about this with understands the difference between static and dynamic lines very well. My first reaction was the same but the guys that I tour with that have a lot more alpine/glacier experience than I do made a pretty convincing argument for static line as a general purpose/bail rope. You don't generally find yourself in a situation where you are climbing technical pitches on the same tour that you were wondering if you should toss a rope in your bag. If you do then you need to work on trip planning.

Like you said, a static line is good for rapp'ing past something, it's also good for a fixed line, good for a haul line, and forces involved in slides on snow are lower than they are for lead falls on rock.

In the end, it really comes down to the specific situation, trip plan, and partners.

From the objectives in the OP I don't think 30-40 meters of dynamic rope for each person is needed.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you always carry short rope when riding in backcountry?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:54 pm 
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Jason4 wrote:
In the end, it really comes down to the specific situation, trip plan, and partners.

From the objectives in the OP I don't think 30-40 meters of dynamic rope for each person is needed.


You're totally right about the OP's objectives and agree static is completely appropriate. I spaced out and confused my own objectives with his/hers. Those are good points you make about carrying a static line. Helluva lot cheaper too. :drinks:

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 Post subject: Re: Do you always carry short rope when riding in backcountry?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:05 pm 
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Like others have said, you need to evaluate your objectives and figure it out on a case-by-case basis. There's no one size fits all answer to your question. Someone stuck in a tree well? I haven't seen too many trolls on this forum, but that comment really makes me wonder... That's not really a valid reason to carry a rope around.
I know a few people (avy professionals and guides) who carry around ~30m of small diameter dynamic cord to jump around and actively test slopes with (with a solidly anchored belayer of course). Anyone else subscribe to this ideology? I'd say my 30m 8.2mm dynamic makes it into the pack about 50% of the time.

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