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 Post subject: Re: Winter Basecamp Tent...
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:31 am 
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Not sure if its still in production, but the NF Himalayan 35 may be a better option than the mountain 35. Rangers (3) were using one @ 17 camp on Denali a few years back, and had very good things to say about it. Haven't looked into the weight differences tho...

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Have you checked out Nemo? http://www.nemoequipment.com

I prefer a teepee-type tent for winter base camp use. I'm using Nemo's Pentalite 4P. Coming in at only 4#4oz (w/ pole) it sleeps 3 people very comfortably with tons of room to spare and even has enough space to store gear out of the way and to safely cook in inclement weather. It also packs down the smallest.
http://www.trailspace.com/gear/nemo/pentalite/

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Thanks for the opinions. I looked at the Alti, but there are few things that I do not like:
the additional weight: when already pushing the limits of reasonable weight, every additional ounce beyond the minimum counts.
The doors are on the sides: My experience has proven to me that I want to be able to start a stove in the morning, while still prone in the satchel-this may not seem like a big deal-but in reality, it really is. (my lightweight single wall has long side doors). Additionally, long side doors means only the person next to the door can start the stove, without everyone having to move around...
Nylon fly vs. Polyester: TNF uses polyester, a nice plus for both longevity, and for the pitch staying tight.

That said, I do really like the Nemo's and I was hoping that they would have a great option. As mentioned, no single walls, for warmth, superior breathability, and easier packability (splitting up the load).
Has anyone had experience with Nemo's long term durability, and warranty?

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Thanks for your thoughts. I have used, and many of my partners have used, single wall tents. They do not breath in cold conditions because WPB fabrics require a pressure differential, and a warm inner wall to breath. Moist air from exhalations hit the (invariably) cold inside of the tent canopy, and then condense and freeze there, you wake up to an ice palace where every movement sends ice crystals falling all over you. Honestly, in cold conditions, this can happen to double wall tents (and did to us in AK at -15, to -20 F temps) but is less likely because of the added insulation of the double wall.
As far as packing goes, a single wall, 3P tent body is a bulky thing, whereas a double wall can be split up into smaller packages-fly for one person, tent body for another, for easy packing.

As mentioned, I like the Nemo tents. And would love to see them make their single wall design (with short wall doors and vestibule) in a nice double wall, and for them to swtich to using a polyester fly. All told so far, I keep coming back to the Mountain 35 as having the best combinations of features, weight, and space for my preferences and needs.

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Powder_Rider wrote:
Warning Slight Thread Jack:

I was going to set a extened base camp (especially if I was returning to the same base several times in the winter), I would build a Grand Shelter ICEBOX Igloo- see http://www.grandshelters.com/

Note I would practice building the Igloo before with my team:


A network of these igloos placed stealthily around the Three Sisters wilderness would be so freakin awesome! I'm so in love with the idea that I may have to actually do it.

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Thanks Yoda,

Last time I looked at the Nemo site, a couple of days ago, it listed the fly fabric on the Alpi models as nylon, are you suggesting that their website is in error (certainly possible)?

Not interested in single wall, for all of the reasons already stated. I will take a quick look at other Nemo models though... double=warmer=less chance of waking up in a crystal palace.

EDIT: Moki+Apri=$1150 and 11 lbs

TNF Mountain 35=~$600 and 10.5 lbs

I have a Black Diamond single wall (bigger model which they no longer make) with silcon based fabric. Great tent for lightweight spring adventures, but I am not impressed by Black Diamond's sewing quality, especially when compared directly to TNF.

xplored a little today and rode some sweet pow!

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I got a go-lite shangrala 5 this summer and plan on using it for my base camp this winter. It is huge, light weight, and versatile. It's big drawback is that it is not freestanding and takes a bit of skill to use.


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