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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:59 pm 
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...and the ankles are still bendable. Pretty much the opposite of the Salomon Malamutes and DriverX's; which are both way too stiff in the ankles...
Hmm, that doesn't sound good to me. I love super-stiff boots.


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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:24 pm 
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i agree russman- they are better than any other (snowboard) boot in my opinion. AT boots are for suckers. mountaineering boots are for dummies who like to walk downhill. deeluxe has some quality stuff. their other boots are super high quality too. love that leather. only thing that would be better would be gore-tex membrane in there.

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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:36 pm 
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christoph benells wrote:
i agree russman- they are better than any other (snowboard) boot in my opinion. AT boots are for suckers. mountaineering boots are for dummies who like to walk downhill.


Have you tried to ride in either an AT or mountaineering boot setup?

Many offer comparable (if not superior in some aspects) backcountry performance to a soft snowboard boot (with or without a stiff Vibram sole). As I wrote, YMMV...but you are the dummy if you fail to see the utility that each option offers.

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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:36 pm 
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Interesting to hear that the boots are soft in the ankes out of the box. I like a stiffer boot, but with splitting all my boots become sneakers very fast. I definitly got to try em on before purchasing em.

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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:36 pm 
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christoph benells wrote:
i agree russman- they are better than any other (snowboard) boot in my opinion. AT boots are for suckers. mountaineering boots are for dummies who like to walk downhill.


Have you tried to ride in either an AT or mountaineering boot setup?

Many offer comparable (if not superior in some aspects) backcountry performance to a soft snowboard boot (with or without a stiff Vibram sole). As I wrote, YMMV...but you are the dummy if you fail to see the utility that each option offers.


nope i haven't tried them, nor do i have any interest in trying them. no point in riding any of those setups because now we have spark deeluxe. i have no idea what YMMV means. sorry dude. you guys pick on russman too much. having strong beliefs is a good thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:19 pm 
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AT boots are for suckers. mountaineering boots are for dummies who like to walk downhill.


Dummies are guys who talk shit about that which they no nothing of and suckers are guys who listen to them. I ride em both and find there's a time and place for both. I checked out the malumutes and Drivers at REI last year and couldn't pull the trigger on either, super unimpressed. I really appreciate the info on these pro's and cons. If anyone knows a store in SLC that's carrying them please let me know. I love the fact that there affordable. I could get boots and binders for the less than the price of an AT boot.


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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:32 pm 
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there is a lot of debate about AT boots on here, but if you ain't grabbing and tweekin it, you're missing out on a huge part of snowboarding. thats all i got to say about that.

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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:36 pm 
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christoph benells wrote:
nope i haven't tried them, nor do i have any interest in trying them. no point in riding any of those setups because now we have spark deeluxe. i have no idea what YMMV means. sorry dude. you guys pick on russman too much. having strong beliefs is a good thing.


I have absolutely no problem with strong beliefs...ignorance is another matter entirely! So until you have some experience with them, you have no basis for declaring anything as being superior.

I would also like to echo UTAH's feelings on the affordability...definitely a good thing :thumpsup:

YMMV = your mileage may vary

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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:41 pm 
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i have a huge amount of experience with AT boots and mountaineering boots. they are not snowboard boots. i ski too. i climb too. i use those boots for what they are made to do.
i made this for you guys so you could still go skiing on a snowboard.
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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:20 pm 
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christoph benells wrote:
i have a huge amount of experience with AT boots and mountaineering boots. they are not snowboard boots. i ski too. i climb too. i use those boots for what they are made to do.


so one has to have snowboard boots to snowboard? :roll: and if I am not tweeking and grabbing while riding in my mountaineering boots then i must be really 'missing the boat' :nononno:

glad you are stoked on your gear! but I by no means feel that they will be the answer for everyone, as everyone has their own reason for being in the backcountry and own preference for riding.

no more :soapbox: from me

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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:55 pm 
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Just ordered mine. I'll tell you about them after Thursday.


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 Post subject: Re: Spark boots?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:11 pm 
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you dont have to have snowboard boots to snowboard, but it is highly recommended!

When i go play golf in baseball cleats everyone looks at me funny. i wonder why?

heres my beef- these are the first splitboard specific boot ever and if you are a splitboarder you should be behind this product 100%. maybe in 5 years you wont need to use other sport's boots at all.

i understand DIY is part of splitboarding, but it doesnt have to be. dont stick to the past. look to the future. the future of snowboarding in snowboard boots.

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