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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:12 pm 
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Ti Clips?

That was looked at. A sheet of 6AL-4V sheet is about 4 grand. Yeah, that's a lot of clips, but....

I still think it would be awesome though and it seems like the split community is one that would parallel the geekdom of the road bike crowd when it comes to disproportionate cost vs weight ratios. (Maybe we can purple ano parts too...) :)

No doubt 2011-2012 will be a good one for the twins.


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:13 pm 
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FYI, heard from Karakoram by email, and they tell me a website revamp is in the works. Bindings are all sold out right now, but they have some hooks in stock.


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:13 pm 
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barrows wrote:
"Have there been any reports this season of Karakoram parts breaking?"

My partner had a failure of his touring brackets, and another partner had some kind of other failure, which ended his day. The original heel lifters did not work, but my understanding is that they have been re-designed since then.

So far failure reports seem to be about normal for a new product, and Karakoram seems to have been pretty good about getting out replacements.
Have they gotten crampons out yet?

I think they are going the right way with the superlight option-looking at how many stainless parts there are which could be titanium (almost half the weight of stainless at the same strength). I would probably purchase the clips for my board setup (hardboots) if they were titanium and equal or less weight than the Voile chinese clips.


Thanks. This is helpful.

One more question: Are the board hole patterns for Karakoram and Voile the same? That is, are the two systems interchangeable across boards?

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:39 pm 
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Yes, all the holes/patterns are the same


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
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FirstAscent wrote:
Yes, all the holes/patterns are the same


Thanks, that's what I was hoping to hear.

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:06 am 
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amkaplan wrote:
FYI, heard from Karakoram by email, and they tell me a website revamp is in the works. Bindings are all sold out right now, but they have some hooks in stock.


Did they say when they'd have new complete set-ups available again? If not, I'll ask and report back here.

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:25 am 
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Taylor wrote:
Did they say when they'd have new complete set-ups available again? If not, I'll ask and report back here.

They didn't say anything regarding when the bindings would be back in stock. It would be interesting to know.

Also, all the Karakoram hardware fits the Voile hole pattern - even Burton has adopted Voile's hardware.


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:05 pm 
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Built my first split in 95, so I have been waiting Sixteen Years, for something better. Thanks boys, and congratulations on your successes. Also thanks to the community for being SO DAMN COOL! At other sights, everyone just snarls at eachother. Here, people just joke and share the love. Oh and you can enter to win Free Gear and Beer. Great sport, Great people.
Word up, I am presently working as a ski boot fitter, and trust me, you can dial in ANY kind of flex you want out of a little 3 buckle AT boot. Its PLASTIC remember, not written in stone. You can grind it and trim it down until it is to your liking, and be EVEN LIGHTER in the process. Whatever, I am going to have to get on some of these just for how sweet the operation will be compared to the CONTRAPTION I've been dealing with. I am in the enviable position of having a Khyber 165 Carbon, with Dynafit 3tf's (in walk-mode, & mostly unbuckled), and Voile Mountain plates. I run the back binding really loose, so I have enough KUNG Fu Action. Light is Right!


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:36 pm 
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^^^ That just begs the question, could the brothers come up with a plate for hardbooters? Something super lightweight & compatible with the ride mode interface for that active clamping on the down and then just run directly mounted Dynafit toe pieces on the uptrack?


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:19 am 
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maniacdave wrote:
^^^ That just begs the question, could the brothers come up with a plate for hardbooters? Something super lightweight & compatible with the ride mode interface for that active clamping on the down and then just run directly mounted Dynafit toe pieces on the uptrack?


I was thinking this exact same thing...


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:04 pm 
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That just begs the question, could the brothers come up with a plate for hardbooters? Something super lightweight & compatible with the ride mode interface for that active clamping on the down and then just run directly mounted Dynafit toe pieces on the uptrack?


This would be sick, and I think the market is larger than you think (and growing)...


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:19 pm 
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Reboot the hard boots!

My idea...

1) Use heel side "crescent moon" mount to locate a heel bail.

2) Use toe side 'crescent moon" mount to locate a Dynafit style toe piece. They're off patent now - move the lever from the front to the side - ala current soft boot Karakoram binding.

3) No more "plate"!! hardboot "binding" is just a heel bail and a Dynafit style toe piece with side lever action - light! low!

4) Uphill is (obviously) covered with the Dynafit toe - bonus points if the same one used for board mode is re-used here. No plates to put in your pack - heel bail stays put - Dynafit style toe does too - unless it's used for uphill as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:17 pm 
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Hmmmmm, interesting ideas there Treepilot. Why not make a hardboot binding? Although everybody might just gaggle once the superlight is brought to mainstream!

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