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 Post subject: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:52 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:31 am 
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What about Tom Burt? He seems to do alright on hardboots. :wink:

I'm a softbooter as well. But I think you could be opening it up to a world of hurt here :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:32 am 
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Tom Burt almost always rides in 2 sizes too small Salomon F22s. He's all about trying to have the smallest boot profile as possible.

According to Tom, he was wearing hardboots in most of the Standard movies though. He says he doesn't have the time or money to deal with the needed mods anymore.

Zellers wears some four or five year old Scarpa prototype hardboots. Something that's not made anymore. He's bummed cause once they're done he's got to start from scratch.

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What about Tom Burt? He seems to do alright on hardboots. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:41 am 
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Burt & Zellers were my heroes in the late '80s when I was using Merrel super comps & alpine skis for backcountry access. soft boots were schite & post holing sucked that schite. Short approach skis beat snow shoes all to hell so AT or mountaneering boots ruled the bc.
I've gotten 10yrs and 200-300 days hard use from some of my plastic shelled boots, Thats important for a dirt bag snowbum.
If I got free gear every year I might use disposable mush boots like the pros for filming but I'm old & lazy think the convenience, durability and edge control traversing I get, make soft boots a waste of $$.
I bought new drivers & flows last year (Cinching laces with cold fingers still sucks) used them for 2 days and went right back to the multiday comfort of my softened flex plastic shells with custom fit liners :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:49 am 
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No offense to JJ, TR, etc... I think they are solid dudes, but enough with the fucking name dropping. This forum is beginning to read like a teen girl fanzine.
Ride whatever the hell you want....

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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:08 am 
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Some lines are best straighted, some lines are best done with as many face shot pow turns as possible. Some tours are best with a hardboot set-up, some tours are best done with a softboot set-up. Using the lines done in deeper seems silly. Those guys waited months for the perfect conditions, then they had 10 of them trade off setting a boot up perfectly stable soft snow. In Chamonix the conditions still looked nice, plus they probably had a guide set the boot for the two more tech lines. On top of that I don't go into the BC with the only purpose being to have my friends film me. If I was filming I would want to straightline everything and hit as many cliffs as possible too. But when your out by yourself for an all day tour, it's more about the tour and connection to the mountains than it is about showing how gnar you are and hardboots for long all day tours in variable conditions or pow is just so dam light and comfortable. But you'll just never know unless you try. I'm glad I have both and get to choose.


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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:50 am 
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UTAH wrote:
I'm glad I have both and get to choose.

Word, UTAH....

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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:37 am 
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Well said Utah

After 20yrs of riding I've only been in hard boots twice(before I had a split), but I'm going to try again.
Comfort and weight seem like 2 damn good reasons.....amongst others

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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:37 am 
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whistlermaverick wrote:
Well said Utah

After 20yrs of riding I've only been in hard boots twice(before I had a split), but I'm going to try again.
Comfort and weight seem like 2 damn good reasons.....amongst others


Other good reasons:

superior touring performance, especially with Dynafit toe pieces
superior riding performance when boots are properly modded
superior climbing performance
warmer
no laces, buckles are much easier to deal with

just sayin', without committing a serious effort to modding up a pair of good AT boots, one will never understand how good they can really be. It takes about a season of tweaking to really figure out the best mods and set up to get hard boots to where they outperform softs in every category (except price).

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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:44 pm 
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When you consider ATs get you 3x the durability for 2x the $$, along with all the other benefits, they're a bargain.
Now if Will :bow: would just build us a (Burnin?) slider plate that'll direct mount Bomber bails, hardbooters would be beamin'. :mrgreen:
Or splurge on Sidewinders, get all the lateral flex you want downhill and dynafit toes for lateral stiffness traversing. :thumpsup: :clap: :headbang: :rock: :disco:

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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
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Hardboots make it hard to look steezy. Just sayin....


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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
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OMG they think I look funny, how will I ever get through the day :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: My curmudgeonly thoughts on hardboots
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I can't count the times i've had sbooters look at like i have a horn growing out of my head only to change thier mind as the day progresses not trying to look badass or anything,just trying to enjoy myself out there and enjoy the company.
As for Jones and crew they are paid to ride thier stuff or at least pick and get sponsered.
Both equipment selections has thier pro and cons and i make the choice for my style of riding.


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