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 Post subject: Broken Voile Slider Plate
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:33 pm 
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After 4 years of (ab)use I have finally broken the slider plate on my Voile system. The last time I had it out I noticed that I had broken off the tab at the end of the plate - the one that prevents the slider from sliding off the pucks. The tab on the other slider is cracked.
It took a while to figure out why this happened. I was skinning up a steep slope (35-40 degrees) on hard pack and to get an edge as I was zagging up I would stomp the board into the snow. The problem is that the full force of the stomp is taken by that little tab. If you take a look at how the slider contacts the heel pad it is the tab which makes all the contact. To fix this problem all Voile would have to do is make the pad higher so the plastic contacts the flat steel instead of the tab. This would make the heel pad an 1/8" higher.
Since I am now in the market for a new board I am just wondering if anyone else has had this problem?
Has Voile fixed this with newer versions of the slider or is it still the same?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:43 pm 
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I just had out my old plates for use on a splitboard loan out and noticed small cracks on both sides of the tabs. These are the old black plates, the new ones are silver and have a different design. I promised cowboy (the inventor) I'd send him my plates a few years ago and just remembered that I'd forgotton it. I think he (and Voile) would be interested in this problem. It might be worth an email or private message to cowboy or djbarney. A quick solution comes to mind of using the screws on the heel pad to mount another small riser that'd take pressure off the tab.


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Since I am now in the market for a new board I am just wondering if anyone else has had this problem?


not yet, but thanks for bringing this to our attention. with due time this
might happen to everyone who either stomps hardpack like you were or
kicks cornices, etc. it's bound to happen at some point. 4 yrs is pretty
good, but there are ways to solve this issue.

i bet if you had a board made by NS they would move up the heel lift
hardware on the board and put a riser underneath it to bring it up a little
bit. this would solve the contact with just that tab every time you step or
stomp. i'm sure there are other ways you might suggest and they would
make it happen for ya. thanks again.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:06 am 
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Pics would be great!!!


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After 4 years? If ride as much as I do, or many others on this site, that is a pretty good record. How many days a season do you average?


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I have 70-80 days on the board. The abuse certainly comes when peak bagging on wind hammered snow but really 70-80 days is not that much.
I will see what I can do to scrounge up a digital camera for some pics.


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i looked at the setup and see that it is really a weak point of the binding design. putting all the force on the bent aluminum at that point will lead to failure with repeated impacts - i'd even be so bold to call it a defect.

like dave said, you could get somone to mount the heel risers a bit forward, and then even without a shim the elevated plastic tab would keep the 'faulty' bent aluminum piece from hitting the topsheet, but then the angle of rise will be greater, so this is probably not a reasonable fix.

design improvements are hopefully forthcoming - but having a monopoly on the market (via patent or whatever), will not speed the evolution of this stuff up, so i hope the voile crew acts in good faith and keeps improving the product (like grooves i nthe bottom of the plate so t-bolts can be held with thumb pressure).

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I checked out my slider plates on Friday and found out I was suffering from the same problem. Now I do have around 160-180 days on the board so I'm not upset over it. Checking out the plates, it is definitely the weak point of the system. I'll try to get some pics posted in a day or two.


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I bent both plates, I think in tour mode, last weekend. Was still able to muscle on the plates so I could ride it though. The middle bent upwards just front of center. I must have leaned back with a full pack and they bent. I'll be pounding on them tonight, but I thought I'd ask for suggestions on how to do this. Vice, rubber mallet, elephant?


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PJ- I'd be careful how much actual bending you do. I didn't take a moment to check yours out on the hill but the slider plates only seem to be CAST aluminum so there is going to be even more *dirt/imperfections/sand* in the material when its made. A cast aluminum is also usually softer than say the same slider plate cut from 6061-T6 Billet (solid block) aluminum. Where are the slider plates manufactured? China :roll:?

As far as the little tab goes...maybe a bead of weld can be tacked on and then file it down so it doesn't interfere or mabye cut it off flat and drill and tap a new piece on...even w/ access to a full machine shop I'd probably just buy new ones though.


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Well, I didn't want to f*** with em in a vice or something so I just brought it to a machine shop in town and they pressed it flat for me. I figured if I tried it I wouldn't get it flat without bumps and kinks in it.

Make me some titanium ones dude. :wink:


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If you buy the titanium...no prob. :wink:

glad you got them back to normal.


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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 9:09 am 
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Splitters- if anyone is having any issues with Voile products, contact us for warranty replacements asap!

CJ, everyone I know would be skinning with their climbing bars up on a slope that steep. If the bars are up, the tab at the back of the slider track never comes in contact with anything. Your issue is probably metal fatigue, and is happening from use with the bars down. Contact us, and we'll hook you up!

The black slider tracks are ancient, the silver ones haven't been manufactured since 02', and the blue/gray are the current vintage. They are made entirely in SLC, including the heat treating and anodizing processes. I have personally handled all warranty issues since starting here 1 1/2 yrs ago, and have seen maybe 3 total pairs of tracks come in for replacements. I would not call this a "design flaw", but rather bomber durability.

If the tracks were machined from solid billet, the end cost would dramatically increase for the consumer. Not a good idea when price already keeps some out of the bc. Additionally, the added strength of the track would move the failure to another location- the climbing block, or the board!

Again, contact Voile with any failures, and we will get you dialed!

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