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 Post subject: Some weights for those considering hardboots
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:10 pm 
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I recently broke out the scale to do some weighing in; here are the results:

Spark Iginition I, with Rossi Jones straps and highbacks, with ti hardware mod:

1021 gm. (2 lb. 4 oz.)

Burton Driver X, US 10.0:

1210 gm. (2 lb. 10.7 oz.)

Combined weight:

2231 gm. (4.93 lb.) one foot, boot+binding

Raceplate mod binding:

493 gm. (1 lb. 1.4 oz.)

Modded Raichle 121 boots (old heavy boot):

1804 gm. (3lb. 15.6 oz.)

Combined weight:

2297 gm. (5.07 lb.)

New boots: Dynafit Zzero 3:

1450 gm.

Combined weight Z3+Raceplate mod:

1943 gm (4.29 lb.)

So a modern AT boot and light plate binding will save almost 0.75 lbs. off of each foot, and 1.5 lbs. total of off the board in ride mode versus light Sparks and a typical soft boot.

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 Post subject: Re: Some weights for those considering hardboots
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:32 am 
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Great research.... :clap: I want it lighter though... can you make it happen? :scratch:

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 Post subject: Re: Some weights for those considering hardboots
PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:59 pm 
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Lighter weight for touring can be achieved by mounting up a Dynafit toe piece, at the expense of slightly increased overall weight. Someone with a machine shop could make superlight toe and heel pieces to mount directly with the Voile slider plate: I would suspect that titanium bales would be necessary to save much weight over the Burton Raceplate parts, and someone might be able to build a carbon slider plate with a lot of work. I would like to see a board company pay more attention to board weight in splitboards; whatever happened to Prior's carbon construction?

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 Post subject: Re: Some weights for those considering hardboots
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:09 am 
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Can you post some pics of your hardboot binder mod when you get a chance. I have nightmares of my voile plate binders failing me, they just don't scream security. That said I put em through the test over the last 5-6 seasons and no problems yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Some weights for those considering hardboots
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Prestonf had his toe bail fail during a spring decent and sent him head first into some scree. He was lucky to walk away with some minor knee damage and bleeding.

Not sure how often something like that happens though.


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 Post subject: Re: Some weights for those considering hardboots
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:35 am 
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[quote="UTAH"]Can you post some pics of your hardboot binder mod when you get a chance. I have nightmares of my voile plate binders failing me, they just don't scream security. That said I put em through the test over the last 5-6 seasons and no problems yet.[/quoteI'm going to 9 seasons with no issues. Easily over 3,000,000 vertical feet!


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 Post subject: Re: Some weights for those considering hardboots
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:46 pm 
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barrows wrote:
I recently broke out the scale to do some weighing in; here are the results:

Spark Iginition I, with Rossi Jones straps and highbacks, with ti hardware mod:

1021 gm. (2 lb. 4 oz.)

Burton Driver X, US 10.0:

1210 gm. (2 lb. 10.7 oz.)

Combined weight:

2231 gm. (4.93 lb.) one foot, boot+binding

Raceplate mod binding:

493 gm. (1 lb. 1.4 oz.)

Modded Raichle 121 boots (old heavy boot):

1804 gm. (3lb. 15.6 oz.)

Combined weight:

2297 gm. (5.07 lb.)

New boots: Dynafit Zzero 3:

1450 gm.

Combined weight Z3+Raceplate mod:

1943 gm (4.29 lb.)

So a modern AT boot and light plate binding will save almost 0.75 lbs. off of each foot, and 1.5 lbs. total of off the board in ride mode versus light Sparks and a typical soft boot.



You must have a background in chemistry :D

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 Post subject: Re: Some weights for those considering hardboots
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:19 am 
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barrows wrote:
I recently broke out the scale to do some weighing in; here are the results:

Spark Iginition I, with Rossi Jones straps and highbacks, with ti hardware mod:
1021 gm. (2 lb. 4 oz.)
Burton Driver X, US 10.0:
1210 gm. (2 lb. 10.7 oz.)

Combined weight:
2231 gm. (4.93 lb.) one foot, boot+binding
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New boots: Dynafit Zzero 3:
1450 gm.

Combined weight Z3+Raceplate mod:
1943 gm (4.29 lb.)

So a modern AT boot and light plate binding will save almost 0.75 lbs. off of each foot, and 1.5 lbs. total of off the board in ride mode versus light Sparks and a typical soft boot.


This is good info! Why?
Because when it comes to Technique/Style: knowing that either setup can weigh almost the same (i.e., the Fuse bases will shave another 4 oz of the soft binder setup) We can all be happy knowing we are nearly equal in the eyes of gravity and are free to ride and skin in the equipment of our own choosing.

As for the weight debate, relevant or not I consider this to be the total amount of my gear and I on the board. Not just my binders and boots.

Again thanks for the info :thumpsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Some weights for those considering hardboots
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:14 am 
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My main point here was to illustrate that hard boot setups can save considerable weight over their soft boot counterparts. As the title of this thread states, the thread is for those considering hard boots. I am not trying to promote the use of hard boots, I am just trying to provide relevant information for those riders that might be interested in trying them.
I ride both hard and soft boots depending on what kind of stuff I am riding. 3/4s of a pound weight saving off of each foot in touring mode is very significant weight savings. Since I have switched to using the Dynafit toe pieces on the board for touring and the binding is now carried in the pack the weight savings on the foot has gone above 1 pound on each foot, touring on this setup is really great and the difference in weight can really be felt in the lower effort needed.
BTW, the difference in weight (weights are now posted on Will's site) between the Fuse and Ignitions is closer to 1 ounce than 4. That said, the Fuse looks great, and I expect they will be stiffer and stronger overall than the Ignitions-I am certainly planning to upgrade to the Fuse for my soft boot setup as soon as they are available-thanks Will.

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 Post subject: Re: Some weights for those considering hardboots
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:05 pm 
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Indeed, the original topic is not lost on me. I have been considering hard boots solely for the purpose of using crampons... and I'm praising your research... Just adding some peripheral observations

I stand corrected on the Fuse weight :drinks:

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