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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:15 pm 
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DACKD and others,
I'm a pretty fat old fart pushing 215 before getting dressed and adding my pack, which usually is around 20lbs. I'm new to splitting, but in my early days of riding I rode hard boots and plates. I currently ride my voile with the voile mountain plates. I also have some burton carriers that I ride on my solid boards from time to time and also on my burton split with the burton interface. I use Lowa Struktura Evo AT boots with a thermo liner (I did not like the gortex version in the boots when I got them). Enough history. This is a great thread that makes me wonder how to attach my carrier bails directly to the slider plates as I am not as pleased with the voile mtn plate design. I will have to drill mine into place as the burton carriers have an odd single center screw attachment. These are wicked light and will likely shed some grams to my setup. I also have a set of groove plates, heavy, with a heavy baseplate. I have mounted these on my verts, but now am considering putting just the toe and heel peices to my slider plates. These are not as light as the burton's (without baseplates) but are all metal and would be wicked solid.

I have not tried the bonber or catek, but the more time I spend with Jon Dahl and the more I read here I may try more options with plates for my splits and solids. I like the AT boots, comfortable, warm, hike capable, step kicking, crampons, ride great...blah blah blah.

Send me more information, this insomniac has ample time to tinker. Since I use the verts less than the board, it makes sense to have the more solid setup there and put the voile mtn plates on the verts.

When i'm fresher, I will check back and re-read this thread so I can glean more info, there is a lot of simple and technical stuff here. I wish I would have seen this thread sooner. Thanks.

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 Post subject: Not a fare comparison.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:16 pm 
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dacksdescents wrote:
...The toe and heel pieces DO unscrew from the sub base plate.
I attempted to mount the toe and heel pieces to a voile slider plate.
Two problems:
1) The holes in the toe/heel pieces and the holes on the slider plate don't match up. No biggie you just need to enlarge the holes on the slider plate until you can mount the toe/heel pieces. Best done with a round file.
2) second problem. on the toe/heel bales where they attach to the toe/heel plate there are very large round joints these don't allow you to mount onto the voile plates and sit flush. To make them sit flush you have to file a fair amount of metal off of the slider plate.
I commend dacksdescents for Pioneering a Bomber split binding before (2004) the Bomber split plate was available but for those considering the proper Bomber Split Binding Product most of this tread is not up to date or fare.

1) The holes :Simply removing the toe and heel off a trench digger WILL not fit the Voile slider plate. When you buy the ACTUAL Bomber Split Binding (see pic) it has an other plate that matches the Voile slider plate holes. NO DRILLING NEEDED.

I am guessing that with out this plate you/dacksdescents also had problems getting touring mode to work. The store bought BOMBER plate bindings in no way hinder movement of the slider plate in touring mode.

2) second problem FILING. OUCH, DUDE, you filed down a $300 bomber plate binding just to give info to the forum? wow that is dedication. Again just removing the toe and heel off a trench digger is not comparable to the product being sold for split boards. The (happily) over engendered bolted joints do not need to be filed in any way shape or form if you buy the ACTUAL Bomber split board product.

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 Post subject: Heavy? not so much
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:35 pm 
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dacksdescents wrote:
...The best plate binding I have found for split boards that I have used is a modified Burton Race plate binding.
Same Idea that I had with the bomber but much easier and very light.
1)Take the toe/heel pieces off of a Burton Race Plate
2) Determine where you want your foot to fit on the voile plate. Easiest way is to take the base plate from the Race plate and mount it on the slider plate. Mark the holes that work for your boot size by taking a sharpie marker and make a dot where the screws were from the toe/heel pieces on to the slider plate.
3) remove the burton base plate (you are eliminating this plate and loosing the wieght and bulk of it!)
4) take a round file and enlarge the holes on the slider plate until the sharpie dots are gone.
5) the toe and heel pieces should mount on to the slider plates once the hole line up. T-nut them on.

They weigh just over one pound each not much more than the voile mountain plate. They ride MUCH better than the mountain plate. Much stiffer and more responsive....



The bombers FOR BOTH FEET weight
"Total weight for the set is 925 grams/2.04 lbs. (for either Standard or Step-In)." per website
No Plastic
No cripped wire loops
No jeryrigging, drilling filleing, etc.

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resort: Donek 205 carving board with Bomber TD1 plate bindings Raichle SB423 hard Boots at 70&65deg


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 Post subject: Bomber 2008 Split Board Binding Update
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:01 pm 
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Hello all,

FYI: I asked Chris if it was OK to post the latest on our Bomber Split Board bindings here and got his OK.

Appreciate everyone's input and opinions on the Bomber Split Board binding. However, some of the reviews and comments here are quite dated (close to four years now) so just wanted to give everyone an update on the bindings:

The newest split board binding does use a two piece (instead of one single base plate) mount. This significantly reduces the weight.

We did go with a two piece mount (sole block to sub-plate to Slider Track) as it allows quick and easy adjustment. Also you can size boots much larger then the Slider Track will allow.

All Bomber Splitboard bindings come with a "wide" toe bail assembly. This allows all boots to fit including AT and tour type boots that tend to have a wide toe box area.

Don't forget, the toe clip is a bottle opener :D

With some creative machining and "on hill" testing the final version now comes in at 842grams/1.86lbs for the set. Our lightest version so far! Maybe I need to think about a Ti model next ;)

Thanks again guys for the support and let me know if you have any questions or comments. I'll do the best I can. More information and photos http://www.bombersplitboards.com/Pages/bomber_split_bindings.cfm.

Cheers,

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Hey Fin, Hope all is well. It's been a while. Keep on trenchin'.

Thanks for the update.


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 Post subject: Re: Bomber Splitboard binding
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:40 pm 
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Kickin' this one to the front...I finally rode a set this weekend in less than ideal conditions, but they impress me. Pluses are simple to set up, strong and stiff, fit my Dynafit boots well. Downsides? Stiff for my light butt, I will have to loosen up the boots a bit under some conditions, but these things will drive an edge in icy conditions! I am happy with them. I would think for a heavier, aggressive person they would be needed, not optional. Glad I got 'em! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Bomber Splitboard binding
PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:33 am 
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I have a set of bomber plates now too John and can't wait to try them out. They do seem nice and stiff but still plently flexable. You can buy the adapters plates separately and borrow a set of toe/heel blocks off some regular TD2's if you have extra ones. I will be using them with scrapa lasers and a older voile 173 that I found at a rental shop in pdx for $250. Will be going this mon or tues above Tline at MtHood to ride the zigzag glacier for a test run. It will be my first splitboard experience :-) . I will miss riding my tanker 192 and almost had monk151 split a extra one I had before finding a deal on a voile 173. If I like this splitie thing I will be sending a tanker to monk for the sacrifice....

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