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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:34 pm 
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That's a really nice shot of you on the Khyber, bcr.

I have more or less settled on the Prior Khyber. If NS had their splits ready I would be really torn. But they havent! So I feel quite good about going for the Khyber. I am most likely getting it from a dealer in Norway as well, which makes it all even better. Appreciate all the input which helped a lot. I am, or well, was clueless when it came to splitboards. And it has been a few years since last time I had a snowboard under my feet.


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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:54 pm 
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I notice a lot of people talking about their opinions of the strengths and weaknesses of the rocker boards with mtx. Have you guys tried a btx board on 50 degree ice yet? I have and I'll tell you it gives me silly confidence in those conditions. Just try it, it's like you're on rails. No skidding, no slippage and of course it really does slay it in pow, all with a park stance, all the time. I can't comment on the NS rocker because I haven't tried one. I did get over 100 days on our area in every condition imaginable and the banana was superior in any condition to any specialty board I've ever ridden.

The only reason I keep harping on this board design is because until you experience it yourself and feel what it can do, you'll be spending your hard earned cash buying something that might just sit in the closet after you ride a btx board. But then again, maybe I'm just strange and spend too much time snowboarding in the winter and get too excited when something that I perceive to be the shit comes along and wanna spread the love to the other die hard bredren out there.

Good luck finding the right board for you!


Yep, I've ridden BTX, MTX, NS rocker camber. MTX/BTX is pretty weak imo. Just sayin'...


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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:18 pm 
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I'm curious as to what exactly you found weak on each board? Specifics would be nice because "just sayin'" doesn't clarify what exactly you mean. What kind of stuff do you normally ride killclimbz?


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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:30 am 
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Actually I shouldn't say it's pretty weak, it does work. My overall impression of MTX/BTX is that it makes the board feel bigger than it is. I was riding a 161 TRS (I believe) and I felt that it had the stability and platform of a board around 168. I could make it wash out on steep icy moguls, but I had to work at it. It does help. Carving is a bit different with the MTX/BTX too, it seemed to hook a bit. I didn't like the Skate Banana at all. I thought I was going to fold that in two, not very stable, and overall I thought it kind of sucked. I definitely would not want to take that thing on steeps. On the other hand as a park centric board, it's probably pretty dang fun and a good pow day rider.

The rocker camber is interesting. It basically does the same thing as the MTX, creates more contact points. It really seemed to push into the snow when carving on groomers or riding steep icy crappy moguls and such. The board I demo'd like the banana was a bit softer than too my liking though. So at speeds I found it to be a little unstable. I hope to try out their Legacy model with that tech this year. The one I demo'd last year was a prototype.

Overall, either one of the extra grip devices, rocker-camber, MTX/BTX, I did not find earth shattering. All the so called things that they alleviate can still happen. A good carpenter doesn't blame his tools and such...

They do add traction, to some degree. If the board is a crappy board though, Rocker-camber, MTX/BTX is not going to make it a good board. On a good board, it may enhance the experience for some or maybe not. I can say that Rocker Camber, or the various magne options are not going to be the deciding factor on when I buy a board. It would help Lib's case if they made splitboards.


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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:13 am 
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Sorry to interrupt the banana conversation but Killclimbz, what are your thoughts on your Khyber/Mojo comment? Now that you know the taper differences do you still think they perform the same? Would you still classify the mojo as a "pintail" when it only has 6mm of taper vs the Khyber's 22mm?


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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:37 am 
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I have never ridden either one of them personally. So in reality I would be talking out of my arse about them. I have friends who have had the Khyber and Mojo. My impression was that they are pintails. The Mojo has such a large nose I am kind of surprised about the taper being so little. Since I have a Summit split I can say that I haven't really worried about riding it on steep hardpack stuff. Mind you I do avoid ice like the plague, and I haven't been forced to ride on it. I have ridden steep corn conditions on it and it felt plenty stable to me. I'm not worried about taking it out in most conditions. Part of that might have to do with Neversummer's tendency to over build everthing. The stability of their boards has always been one of the best around. I believe the taper on the Summit is around 20 mil, if I am reading their site correctly. It seems awfully drastic to me. If I can swing the Scrubfest meet, I'll be happy to let you take the board out for a spin and you can judge for yourself. Definitely one of the most fun powder boards I have tried out. Rocker or non rockered.


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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:53 pm 
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Sorry about all the banana talk, I promise I'll try hard to stop!
Killclimbz, thanks for elaborating. For what it's worth, I wasn't completely smitten until maybe a week on the board. But for sure to each their own, as long as you're stoked with what you like, then all is well!
If any of you all are in the Telluride area, let me know and I can show you all around, it's sweet.


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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:06 pm 
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Jumping into this a bit late but figured I'd add my two cents. I have ridden nothing but NS solid boards for about ten years. When looking for a split to replace my Burton a couple years ago, NS was my first choice, but the $ factor and timeframe were too much for me. I got hooked up by the good folks at Venture and bought a Divide 165 having never ridden anything they had made. My Burton split and pow board were all 170, but the 165 was the longest board Venture made that season. The Divide kicks ass, plain and simple. Any condition, just enough taper to float in pow, but not so much I can't ride it switch. Now that I've got some Sparks on it, I'll probably ride it at the resort here and there, it's that much fun. Can't compare it to other splits, but can definitely recommend it as a great all-mountain slayer.

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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:26 pm 
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The Divide kicks ass, plain and simple. Any condition, just enough taper to float in pow, but not so much I can't ride it switch. Now that I've got some Sparks on it, I'll probably ride it at the resort here and there, it's that much fun. Can't compare it to other splits, but can definitely recommend it as a great all-mountain slayer.


Will follow Grimace (aka. mtnmn) with a big x2 :thatrocks: Can't wait to rip my Divide with the Spark bindings... deadhorse It's gonna be a sick season...

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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:14 pm 
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Maybe it's a Cali thing, but I agree with bcr's ideas of a versatile ride. Boards like the Mojo, Venture Divide, Burton, Prior Backcountry,with more of a moderate taper and moderate pretty much everything else work great in all conditions so you never have to worry about picking the wrong board. If you live in Utah, work for yourself and can pretty much count on blower power then by all means get the Khyber or NS Summit. But I have more of a California situation & traveling is fun for me so I like those kinds of versatile boards. For what it's worth, I'm still progressing as a snowboarder, but getting there. It's definitely a lot easier for me when I'm not overcoming the limitations of the wrong board in the wrong conditions.

I'm definitely gonna try and get a run in on a Divide this season if I get the chance. Eco - I think they had a different top sheet this year. The first year model had some texture that snow absolutely glued onto. But I don't think wavy davy had that problem with his board last season, though. Can anyone comment?

PS Spark bindings do rule! :bananas:

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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:41 pm 
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Before i put down 1200 to 1400 hundred on a board i had never ridden I would try really hard to find a rental shop or call a rep for a demo. You can read and ask all kinds of good minded people but untill you strap in you really wont know what you may get. True , you may not be able to try every board in all conditions but if it ment waiting 2-3 months I would.
Things I have found that really matter to me are shape , I like an all mountain shape because i ride in all conditions. But just as important is stiffness. For me a really stiff board will submarine in powder unless Im really agressive. i would rather have a more flexible board ( which will be slower) that will hold a good edge but not torpedo on powder days. I am going shorter next time I buy ( Im riding a Burton 168 ) because I know a 162-165 will hold me and my astronaut pack ( Im 6 foot 175 lbs)
So look on the web or ask some shops but try to demo first.


Bindings on the other hand need no demo. Sparks are the only BC specific split specific binding that works . Its lighter, stronger ( I know I ran over a pair with my car that jim w. is still riding ) and Will is a pretty cool guy for a hippie


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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:44 am 
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Tex, you probably have about the best idea out there. I demo'd the Summit long before I decided to have a split made of it. The conditions that day were bulletproof hardpack to 2 feet of powder. So I got to ride it in a lot of different conditions. It handled them all with ease and it rode switch surprisingly well on the hardpack. I didn't try it in pow as I seem to always get buried when I do that. I also think it will just ride fine in Cali. I spent the first four years of my snowboard career riding in the Tahoe area and I am sure the Summit will tackle it with ridiculous style. I won't get to test that theory this season though, but I will get to test it in the Cascades. So if it sucks, I'll let you all know it. I don't really feel like that is going to happen. I would have never of spent the money to have that board made if I hadn't of been on one beforehand.

I do believe the Summit got pretty good reviews in the Couloir tests in California, in less than pow conditions.

I've ridden the solid version of the Venture Divide, and agree it's a pretty killer board. I wouldn't mine owning one at all. Venture makes a top notch product.

Overall, it is best if you can try before you buy without a doubt.


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 Post subject: Re: Need some help choosing splitboard - Venture, NS or Prior
PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:51 am 
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Oh yeah, and if anyone is out in Colorado or happens to be in Washington when I am there, I am totally willing to let you give the split Summit a try.


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