thanks for the post...i am curious to hear the replies. i have been thinkign about a the split decision and i would have to go with a 166. which is 6cm bigger than my new board. one of my friends, killclimbz rides a 166 but he's a bit bigger than myself.
i'd personally blame the snow because it was less than ideal. nothing carves through the chunks left after weekend traffic at berthoud!
I've been kicking around going with the 173 for my next board. My big worry is that I love darting through the trees which are often tight in spots. So I may just get another 166.
Francis, stick with it. The board is definitely a bit bigger than you're used to, and sitting a little higher above the board probably doesn't help. Make sure you have your bindings mounted as far back as possible to help with the nose dive. I was experiencing that quite a bit myself these past few outings. It's more to do with conditions as Will stated than your ability or the board. I know on my first outing with my split that I thought it was a bit squirrely and I had to get used to the slightly longer length than what I had been riding. It's all good now. You'll love the extra length in deep pow. That is why I am contemplating the larger board.
If anyone has any experience on the 173 and what you think of it in tight trees let me know. I suspect I'll just have to sack up and get one to get used to it.
Joined: Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:08 am Posts: 19 Location: Munich Germany (close to the alps)
I, by the way 160, jumped from my old 139 Resortboard (which was to short, today I wouldnt go under 150) to the 159 Voile (which is a bit large, but there is no smaller). At the beginning I needed a weekend to get used to it, and I still do need a day every saeson, than no difficulties except narrow treeruns. Resort riding helps a lot to get used to a longer board.
Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:37 pm Posts: 1865 Location: in between
You'll eventually get used to the length. If you set the stance back it may help with the nose dive, but it will make it harder to initiate turns. I'd leave the stance more centered, then it won't \"feel\" so long.
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:14 am Posts: 55 Location: PNW
I ride a 162 at the resort and own the voile 166 for my split. My first couple of rides it felt a bit long for me but I got used to it. Then I borrowed a 173 voile and am now wishing I had gone with the bigger board. Go bigger, get used to the feel and you will not want to go back to the short board. Any one have a 173 they want to trade for a 166?
Oh, by the way I am just about 6 foot, 150 pounds.
you're 5'5\" but how much do you weigh? are you 125 wet and wearing boots or are you built like a brick! I'm 5'7\" and about 160-170 depending on how many donuts I've ate this week but...
I ride a 165 Prior for my split and its quite a bit stiffer than a Voile board. I find it ideal in powder but I'd prefer a 162 for the less than ideal conditions. My regular resort set ups are a 156 Zeplin and a 162 Recon Riser. I don't think I'd ever even buy a board under a 155 cm unless maybe you're willing to dump off that fish...but that is just me!
Joined: Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:31 am Posts: 220 Location: ak
Don't put your stance too far back, it'll be even harder to turn. The conditions make a difference though, practice in nice fluff so you can go faster confidently. Speed should take care of your tip dive. Worst case Prior makes splits in 149 and 154 as well as a split 156 Khyber(like a burton fish shape). You could easily sell the 159 and go smaller if the length doesn't ever feel good. I bet Never Summer could cut a board the right size for you, too.
Joined: Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:08 pm Posts: 236 Location: 109-blocks-of-watch-yo-f'n-back, CA
I'm 5'5\" and 140 lbs. My K2 homemade split is 170+. I ride a 155-160 resort board. I'm in agreement - get the longer board and grow into it. A lot of the turn initiation & \"bringing it around\" issues can be improved with practice (at the resort or in the b/c). Some of this might be elementary but may be worth mentioning if it helps anyone:
1) Keep your front knee slightly flexed over your front toe just after you pass through the \"dead point\" (flat base ) when transitioning onto a new edge. This may help you initiate the turn with a bit more weight toward the nose, as ought be dun! As you drive the board through the turn, you should be moving the force from the nose at the beginning of the turn, to between the feet when your board is pointing straight down the hill, to the tail as you finish the turn and set up to unweight for the next one.
2) Make rounder, in-the-fall-line turns. Most of us, when we get freaked on steep slopes or in the trees, tend to bring our turns (especially heelside) around too far so as to bring our board almost perpendicular to the fall-line. Practice making rounder turns that finish closer to 45 degrees across the fall line instead of 90 degrees across it. When you're a little guy, its really hard to get a 170 back into the fall line after you throw it horizontal to cut speed. This will help you ride a bigger board more confidently in narrow chutes & trees.
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:30 pm Posts: 5 Location: SLC, UT
I have one of the first 166 split decisions and I love it... to me the board often feels too short.last season I rode a 155 for awhile then bought a santa cruz 166... this season I got the 166 voile split. it took a little getting used to the board really wants to make large turns cause of the shallow side cut. make sure your angles are set properly casue that could contribute to your turning abilities as well. I ride 21 deg in front and 9 in back... my stance is set back pretty far and I have about a 21\" width on my stance I say ride it! you will soon love it I love mine. my next one will either be a 182 split 0r the 195 swallowtail from voile.
A good part of it is the board. I posted a review last year of my trip with a friend to Tucks with a Prior Split and Voile Split (I now own one of each) with identical bindings and stance. It was one of the best powder days in the bowl ever for me. And oth rode great. But on the way down to the parking lot, the trail was far less then perfect (a somewhat narrow trail (10'-15'wide) some POW, ice, crust, waterbars, etc). We switched boards half way down to get a comparison. And we both felt that the Voile was much more difficult to turn in those conditions. This is not a jib on the Voile Split. It's just that in "those"
Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:42 am Posts: 2392 Location: California
Make rounder, in-the-fall-line turns. Most of us, when we get freaked on steep slopes or in the trees, tend to bring our turns (especially heelside) around too far so as to bring our board almost perpendicular to the fall-line. Practice making rounder turns that finish closer to 45 degrees across the fall line instead of 90 degrees across it. When you're a little guy, its really hard to get a 170 back into the fall line after you throw it horizontal to cut speed.
This is huge. Great advice. I always tell beginers that speed is your friend. The board wants to be pointed down the fall-line and handles much better when it is. I know, easier said than done sometimes but something to work on for all of us.