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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:12 pm 
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Barrows, do you think the Dum Dum's lack of maneuverability attributes to its width, or a lack of rocker sufficient to supplement the long scr, or some combination thereof? (Edit: Or something else, like taper, or lack thereof...)

Carefully matching the rocker profile to the long taper and long scr in shapes such as these is really, really critical for all pieces to work together nicely.

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:23 pm 
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Taylor wrote:
Barrows, do you think the Dum Dum's lack of maneuverability attributes to its width, or a lack of rocker sufficient to supplement the long scr, or some combination thereof? (Edit: Or something else, like taper, or lack thereof...)

Carefully matching the rocker profile to the long taper and long scr in shapes such as these is really, really critical for all pieces to work together nicely.


Taylor. Probably a combination. I found the Dum Dum to be a fun ride, but not as easy to maneuver in trees. Interesting considering the Dum Dum was a 160 and furberg is a 173. Both boards have very similar taper, and the flex patterns were not different enough to explain the difference. I suspect the extra width of the Dum Dum, was the main cause, and the lack of rocker was also a contributing factor. The DD proto I rode had slight early rise tip and tails, and slight camber between the feet. Chimera calls it flat between the feet, but they build it with slight camber, as they feel it goes flat with break in. The DD was noticeably wide at the feet...

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:44 pm 
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I could seperate the width and the sidecut in my mind. I found the width just makes for hard work but the long radius sidecuts were just not as nice to ride. You guys might love it but I dont and quite frankly Ive seen enough to not really want to explore it anymore.
If I had to explain long radii sidecuts in a few words I would say "falling over waiting for my heel side turns to happen"


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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:31 am 
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Camber 6mm

Side cut depth 15mm
Nose 320mm
Waist 270mm
Tail 290mm

Nose length 420mm
Tail length 215mm

Stance -100mm

effective edge 1090mm

Weight 3.9kg / 8.58lbs (includes nose tail clips and hooks)

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:43 am 
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cool thread, makes me wish i had a garage!!! nice work!
Bob were your profiles same same, camber bw the feet? i know a lot of folks dig their boards with that profile but as a concept i just don't get it, unless your stance is super narrow, or if its a stiff racing board with camber tip to tail....
for the most part it seems to me that profile just makes your feet work against each other :scratch:

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:47 am 
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Camber just pass binding mounts then rocker for nose and tail

Barrows / Taylor

Can you measure the side cut depth of the Furberg?
I would be interested to see what it is.

I think it looks more curvy due to the 30mm of taper?

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:39 am 
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karkis wrote:
cool thread, makes me wish i had a garage!!! nice work!
Bob were your profiles same same, camber bw the feet? i know a lot of folks dig their boards with that profile but as a concept i just don't get it, unless your stance is super narrow, or if its a stiff racing board with camber tip to tail....
for the most part it seems to me that profile just makes your feet work against each other :scratch:



Yeah Mark, with one's feet so far apart camber between the feet makes zero sense to me as well, I think people are just a little afraid of change! Hey, congrats on the little one as well.

I'll get that measurement later, heading out to brave the winds and avy danger in search of short safe pow lines now...

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:47 pm 
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Not afraid of change, just trying everything to find the happy place. My boards have always been rocker between the feet and camber outside. Adams boards is the first one to use camber all the way.


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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:58 am 
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Japan isnt as steep as it is deep sadly, Something a lot of people dont seem to realise. The biggest thing i found as an issue was getting enough speed. the place just isnt that steep. There is steeper stuff around hakuba and other spots on Honshu then what i was riding but the snow in hakuba just isnt as dry as the north where its less steep.. Compromise blows. I could see where a wide waisted board would suck.

Ill hopefully be taking one of these out for a slide on some classic NZ wind drifted "pow" this year if im nice to Firstlight :D

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:05 am 
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I was riding in nagano so plenty of steeps but I know exactly what you mean. My best performing boards have short radii and narrow waists.
I reckon Adams board will ride well.


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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:46 pm 
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1stlite - sidecut on a 167 furberg is almost 8mm. i understand your profile description but again i don't see it being super functional. cambers purpose is to distribute pressure from your weight but if your feets are placed near each end of the cambered section the pressure will be focussed on those 2 points. not that it doesn't work, most snowboards work, but the 2 pressure points require more exaggerated fore / aft motions through the turn.... maybe if you're a surfer you find the extra upper body movement to be natural???

BobG - i don't think barrows was saying YOU are afraid of change, i think its more directed at a number of producers who think just putting some early rise in the nose turns their same old boards into pow slayers. sure it helps in pow but like i said above, most boards work... boards that work really well in a variety of conditions... need more than just a bit of rise in the nose, as i expect you're aware. and i'd +1 to the Furberg being a remarkably effortless and responsive ride in most conditions (choppy hardpack being the obvious exception). in contrast to what you described of your boards, which i don't know much about, i think the factors on a Furberg which ease its ability to turn are full rocker wi fairly stiff flex, and the extended contact points reducing the effective edge, esp if you're comparing to swallows, your work looks sweet az, btw!

barrows, yah thanks! she's super cute, just like poppa!! :scratch: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:08 pm 
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Yah, along Karkis' (super-cutie) lines, like I said...

Carefully matching the rocker profile to the long taper and long scr in shapes such as these is really, really critical for all pieces to work together nicely.

...That's an omission I see in thinking on this thread. It's not just about long scr, it's about a total board design to match.

To be crystal clear, that's constructive commentary, not criticism.

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:23 am 
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Thing is guys this shape would not work in my crc mold due to the short effective edge so I actually made a complete new mold and built this board in the few days between my return from japan and Adams departure. Major time stress lol.
The mold is flat in the middle so you can pull camber or rocker with heat differential, Adam isnt a fan of rocker so we made it with camber.


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