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 Post subject: soft to hard
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:20 am 
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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:18 am 
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But i look so cool in my moon boots..


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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:12 pm 
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Hard now soft


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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:33 pm 
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I went from soft to hard just reading it!!! :disco:


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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:38 am 
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that was not even close to a real article.


I have ridden both, hardboots(tlt5/phantom) and softboots(burton ion/K's) for a while and honestly Im not 100% sold on hardboots.


It is worth the energy to try both so one could have a VALID perspective from both sides.


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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:26 am 
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weird, he's rocking the more expensive and less flexible carbon (Performance) version.

I guess they are lighter but I can imagine the stiff upper cuff would be too much for many of us.


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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:56 pm 
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lernr wrote:
weird, he's rocking the more expensive and less flexible carbon (Performance) version.

I guess they are lighter but I can imagine the stiff upper cuff would be too much for many of us.


Actually, they are not really lighter, just stiffer. The weight difference in the specs between the TLT5 Mountain and TLT5 Performance versions is strictly from the liner, the shells are within a couple of grams of each other, the Performance model just comes (in the US) with a much lighter liner. All I can think is that he got a really good deal on the carbon cuff model somewhere...

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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:13 pm 
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lernr wrote:
weird, he's rocking the more expensive and less flexible carbon (Performance) version.

I guess they are lighter but I can imagine the stiff upper cuff would be too much for many of us.


It just happened that I got a crazy discount on the carbon version. I can't comment on how much more stiff it is that the mountain version. I can say that I don't find it too stiff. Up until yesterday I hadn't modified them. Same idea as Burros I believe but completely removing the restriction on forward lean and leaving it up to the tongue.

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cometogether wrote:
that was not even close to a real article.


Not a real article, a blog opinion. I totally agree that everyone should try a AT boot setup. It has totally changed the way I access and ride in the mountains. Additionally, split skiing is super fun now.

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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:55 am 
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cometogether wrote:
that was not even close to a real article.


I have ridden both, hardboots(tlt5/phantom) and softboots(burton ion/K's) for a while and honestly Im not 100% sold on hardboots.


It is worth the energy to try both so one could have a VALID perspective from both sides.


SHRED ON!


Hey Eric. Not sure exactly what you are trying to say here, but for sure I agree that everyone has to make their own decisions on what works best for them.
But, I think it is fairly safe to assume that everyone who rides with hard boots presently, has substantial experience riding in soft boots as well, and hence a VALID perspective. Personally, at my age, I probably have more seasons in soft boots (and hard) than many here have in snowboarding.

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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:40 am 
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Barrows- I took that to be directed at soft booters who are critical of hard boots, not the other way around.

I'll bite on the last challenge, want to put some numbers out there? :mrgreen:
First day of snowboarding for me was 25 Dec 1989, first day at Baker/hiking the backcountry was ~27 Oct 1990, first day in plate bindings was sometime in the fall of 1993. For some reason it took me a while to get a split.

I have a feeling that you've been riding longer and I'm sure you've spent more time in hardboots that I have (wouldn't really be that tough to do). :thumpsup:

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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:08 am 
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Hey Jason, did not mean that to be a challenge (hence the words "probably" and "many" in my above post), but hey I'll play anyway. My first time snowboarding was either in '83 or '84, I could probably nail it down if I go searching through old photos. This is not counting riding Snurfers in New Jersey for about 5 or 6 years before that. By '85 I was riding in a hybrid boot, Koflach mountaineering boots with a high liner, but in a strap binding. Sorels did not really ever cut it for me, but the Koflachs, with a little fine tuning, worked pretty well in the early Sims bindings.
My first pair of true hardboots were Koflach Albonas, that had to be '88 or '89. I stuck with the hard boots, mostly Raichle Snowboarders, except for a brief period where I was sponsored by Alpina, until some decent soft boots finally came out, I think the first pair of soft boots I really liked were the NorthWave Apollos. Then I rode softs exclusively until about 5(?) years ago, when the lightweight AT boots started appearing and I was riding splitboards full time, as I realized HB made much more sense for splitting. Shortly after that I met Keffler, and he and I started scheming...

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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:54 am 
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I knew you had me by a few years. The progression sounds similar though. I was a little too young to have started as early as you did and a little too warm too. I moved from Hawaii to CA in '87 so there wasn't much hope for me before that. For some reason after I broke my leg when I was 12 I decided I needed a much longer board and paired Koflach Superpipes with a pair of Burton plate bindings on a CK Slopestyle. Definitely not an alpine carving set up. Those boots left a lot to be desired and probably gave me a few bad habits.

I've enjoyed various softboots since then, running the range from floppy linerless boots to Sims Revolvers circa 2000 (stiffer than some ski boots!) and now I'm in AT boots for touring and Drivers in the ski area. Really jealous that there isn't an equivalent boot to the TLT5/6 that fits wide/flat footed people like me.

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 Post subject: Re: soft to hard
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:16 pm 
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Jason: Are you sure you cannot get a good fit in the TLT6? I have a partner with a very wide forefoot who thought the same; after discussing wiht a bootfitter, he purchased the TLT6, and got the fortefoot punched out quite a bit. Now he says they are the most comfortable (and highest performing, he's a splitter) boots he has ever used. He has similar experience level to me.
The TLT6 is a lot easier for good bootfitters to widen (vs the 5), as the elimination of the flex zone has made heating and stretching the boot much more straightforward.

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