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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:38 pm 
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acopafeel wrote:
rarely do i feel the need to chime in on shit like this...

booting on a packed skin track would be easier than wallowing through a bunch of freshies.
skinning on a packed boot track might be easier than busting a new trail trough a bunch of freshies.

so who cares? :doobie: Is it really going to slow your roll that much?
i think everyone needs to quit being such weenies :nononno:


I agree with you, but the attitude originated years ago with tele skiers who thought themselves above the snowshoeing class and relegated them into a separate trail, so as not to infect their oh-so-holy tele track with their filthy snowshoes...or something like that. :guinness:

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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:52 pm 
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acopafeel wrote:
rarely do i feel the need to chime in on shit like this...

booting on a packed skin track would be easier than wallowing through a bunch of freshies.
skinning on a packed boot track might be easier than busting a new trail trough a bunch of freshies.

so who cares? :doobie: Is it really going to slow your roll that much?
i think everyone needs to quit being such weenies :nononno:


+1

I snowshoed for a couple of years, and I can tell you that although my skier friends weren't thrilled when I broke trail, they were sure happy to follow rather than break it themselves. It's not like anybody owns a skin track or boot pack. Take it or leave it, but don't complain about it. It's not that hard to skin on top of boot or snowshoe tracks.


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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:05 am 
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are you talking boot track as in post hole or snow shoe or either? skin away, doesn't affect how the snowshoes or post hole will work after you've skinned on it. doesn't sound very fun though as boot tracks generally head straight uphill.


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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:38 am 
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Ok Kyle what up with the etiquette question? Did something happen? You can tell us. :wink:

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skin away, doesn't affect how the snowshoes or post hole will work after you've skinned on it.


I usually stay away from etiquette threads too but....Skinning on the boot pack could ruin it for walking by causing punch steps. The worst. Or it could make it better for walking by compacting the trail better. The "don't be a dick" rule applies here. If the boot packers are present and skinning on the boot pack is ruining their day by making the walking more difficult... I wouldn't do it. If the boot packers are not around...no harm then. Skin it.


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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:04 pm 
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Just thought it would be an interesting discussion.

Seeing a lot of don't bootpack on my skin track stuff so I wanted to bring out the opposite end of the question.

I try to stay out of bootpacks in general but especially when it is loose granular snow as it will just fill in the steps and a pain.

My real peeve is when people ski down the skin track now that is unacceptable.

But this discussion could go on forever.

What about dogs on skin tracks? < This question will start a war.

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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:16 pm 
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Dogs in the skin track aren't a big deal for me yet. I don't see enough out to really change the nature of the skin track and I'm usually pretty happy to see dogs out playing in the snow. I was out a week ago and saw a long haired dachshund jumping from one boot hole to the next in a boot pack. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:27 pm 
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Kyle Miller wrote:
My real peeve is when people ski down the skin track now that is unacceptable.


What do you mean? People skiing down the switchback part of the skin track? That defeats the whole purpose of earning turns. Not sure why anyone would do that.

But skiing back to the car on the flats in the skin-track, I don't think that is a problem. You need to keep up your speed. As long as you stop and step aside for uphill traffic.

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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
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Jason4 wrote:
Dogs in the skin track aren't a big deal for me yet. I don't see enough out to really change the nature of the skin track and I'm usually pretty happy to see dogs out playing in the snow. I was out a week ago and saw a long haired dachshund jumping from one boot hole to the next in a boot pack. :mrgreen:


Like any dog questions: dog-lovers don't mind, dog-haters (aka evil people) will throw a fit.

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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
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One of the weirdest things I ever saw was a lady making switchbacks downhill in the skin track while there was open slopes to both sides.

Flats totally understandable.

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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
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As long as the dog doesn't shit or piss on the skin track, who cares!!! Seen plenty of this unfortunately :nononno:

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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
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Last year we were on a ridge that was that annoying pitch where it's really steep to skin (so lots of switchbacks), but deep so didn't really want to boot it, when suddenly a fox comes flying past us at mach 2 and broke trail all the way up the ridge line for us (so we switched to booting). Maybe someone can figure out how to get their dog to do this!

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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
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Kyle Miller wrote:

What about dogs on skin tracks?

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 Post subject: Re: Is it okay to skin on a established bootpack?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:33 am 
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There are plenty of spots on my local hill where people boot in the track, I think kyle and i had a discussion about it when climbing??
But they wont follow switchbacks, they just go straight.
I used to to boot in the track, and those dynafit weight-weenies used to always yell at me.
but i usually stick to "when in doubt, boot it out" which tends to be when we have some of our famous wind buffed snow here in NZ and skinning is just a bitch.

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