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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:31 pm 
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I built skis and snowboards and I don't buy the extra labor time- a splitboard is basically skis :scratch: .. Solid boards are the easiest and fastest, skis and split boards would be virtually identical as far as time to build goes. ITS ALL IN THE MOLD.


On a Rossi note: I have two of these splits! ( local rep Thank you :thumpsup: ) I cant wait to give them a test, I've been talking with the head snowboard guy at Rossi and he is rad. As a loyal Rossi board shredder(past 5 seasons) I am excited to see how strong this board is. It is a little stiff for me but should do well with the cam rock and shovel tip nose. I am bugging Rossi to make the one mag tek in a split 159. I think this board would satisfy a lot of riders, as it is just like they say in there add, a quiver killer- do all board. I will be splitting another 159 one mag this year despite having the XV split.


firstlight-- please explain the issues you've experienced with this deck, you said snapped.. what exactly snapped? the core, the sidewall, the topsheet?

Rossignol is not the strongest board in the world but for the price point they do the job pretty well.

I will give a review after I get on this board. saving the perfect base for a softer time of year.

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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:45 pm 
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Eric: you got it all wrong. Skis are built separately (of course they cost $800 as well), and they do not have to fit tightly together with a perfectly cut seam and act as a single board.
Splitboards are molded as one board, and then cut, then the holes for the clips have to be drilled very, very precisely in a jig, this is all takes time. As mentioned here, anyone who knows has suggested that about twice as much skilled hand labor goes into split production as a solid. I watched the entire process at Never Summer and can confirm this to be true.
This additional skilled labor time is where the additional expense comes from.

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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
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It seems like as more companies are making splits, it's becoming easier to find deals. Of course, retail is for suckers. But you can pick up a brand new Venture out of their bargain bin for a few bucks more than that Rossi. I've seen Gnu and Voile splits in that price range, as well. All made in the US. Maybe not the latest model, but there is quality to be had if you look around. But for a guy known for setting skintracks in obscure spots to protect his secret stash, I would think you'd be a proponent of pricier boards so as to make it less accessible to the masses. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
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The rossignol dealer that I spoke with felt that the pricing of the board was due to it being what retail refers to as a lost leader. Rossi recognizes that they have stayed out of the splitboard business too long, and are quite likely just going with this aggressive pricing strategy to get people on their boards/build customer loyalty and good word of mouth.


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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:42 pm 
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cometogether wrote:
firstlight-- please explain the issues you've experienced with this deck, you said snapped.. what exactly snapped? the core, the sidewall, the topsheet?


A mate in NZ snapped his on the heal edge ski just in front of the front foot.
Full snap across the topsheet to the core, sidwalls intact on both side.
He posts here so he may come up with the photos once the board is replace under warranty.

I love the board and rode it this season with no quality issues other than the voile ying yang hooks didnt even come close to touching on 4/5 board in stock. supper sloppy out of the box
K clips fixed this, but I think they tuned the inside edge at the factory after drilling the ying yang holes.
You would need to put the K clips to fix this so there's another 50 Bucks!

The guy in NZ had the same issue with sloppy board halves.

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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
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Check with RyanIrv, he's lurking around on this board somewhere... he snapped one of those Rossi XV splits riding it late last season.


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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
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I guess weighing only 145 lbs has it's advantages. I ain't ever snapped a board in my life. These boards are thin and I could see how a 220lb dude could snap one. I'd probably stay away if I was on the heavier side,....or Ben Starkey! :lol:

Fyi, the 167 i just got in the mail feels pretty good. It's light! The chinese hooks are solid and well placed but the tip clip is terribly placed. I'm not bothering going to K clips. I for one think the riding difference between the two is non existent. K clips are cooler and all but voile hooks are so much easier to use in the field.


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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
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fustercluck wrote:
It seems like as more companies are making splits, it's becoming easier to find deals. Of course, retail is for suckers. But you can pick up a brand new Venture out of their bargain bin for a few bucks more than that Rossi. I've seen Gnu and Voile splits in that price range, as well. All made in the US. Maybe not the latest model, but there is quality to be had if you look around. But for a guy known for setting skintracks in obscure spots to protect his secret stash, I would think you'd be a proponent of pricier boards so as to make it less accessible to the masses. :lol:


This is why I just couldn't pull the trigger paying $1400 for a custom job. I hate retail. However, I'd rather pay $599 for this board than on any new venture. Their boards are so damn heavy. The old 166 divide I had was the worst splitboard I ever rode. Well built, but I hated the ride. I referred to it as my 2x8 with bindings. I'm a proponent of getting deals on pricier boards. I'd never pay $1100 on a carbon solution just on principle.


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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
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A properly made jig takes all the guesswork out of a tightly fitted split. Any monkey could do it especially if that's all they do! The extra labor beyond simply making a pair of skis that is needed to build a split only takes 10 minutes if done professionally and no more than an hr for the novice. Even with the new adjustable K clips a sloppy job can be adjusted in minutes. Splitboard builders aren't gods people....They are stoners!!!!! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
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Retail splits are expensive. DIY is great for me, especially looking the price comparison between factory made and DIY splits.


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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
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Sorry Barrows--still don't buy it! like I said before ITS ALL IN THE MOLD. I built both and have a nice grasp on the process. but really WHO THE FUCK cares- splitboards are over priced. enough said


The Rossignol doesn't have the tightest board halfs but like mentioned the k clips will fix that.


I'm excited to ride it and for the proform price it CANNOT be beat....


Rossignol uses a lot of palawnia? wood which is known for being light but not terrible strong...I have also snapped a board or two right at the binding...(NS, Rossi,nitro.) I'm no heavy weight either--probably safely under 200 in all gear with board.

it will be cool to see how people receive this move by rossignol stepping into this market.

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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:16 pm 
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splitboards do take more work. not sure how all of you stating that you have built both disagree with this. please build a solid and then build the same board as a factory split and then tell me which one took more fucking time, work, and planing. if that is too hard to grasp you can go with the ski argument. most good freeride/big mountain skis retail $600-$900 that is with NO INSERTS OR HARDWARE OF ANY SORT. So take the tech of making a ski and add the inserts and then other misc. split hardware and it's easier to see why the price is high.i'd much rather pay a high dollar amount for a good USA made board or bindings than a $600 jacket made by 15 year olds in Asia somewhere. Not too mention we have somewhat of a direct input into these smaller splitboard companies. The North Face doesn't give a motherfuck what any of us think, their company is built on fleece jackets for college kids. The outdoor industry is pretty fucked pricing wise, that's why I work in the industry it's the only way I can afford to play. However you have to pick your battles and I think pricing on splitboards is pretty fair compared to other ski/snowboard related products.

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 Post subject: Re: What's the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:44 pm 
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cometogether wrote:


Rossignol uses a lot of palawnia? wood which is known for being light but not terrible strong...I have also snapped a board or two right at the binding...(NS, Rossi,nitro.) I'm no heavy weight either--probably safely under 200 in all gear with board.

it will be cool to see how people receive this move by rossignol stepping into this market.





We've been using Paulownia for Alaia surfboards for a while and its super strong!

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