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 Post subject: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:32 am 
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Hi. I am a splitboarder from NJ. Right away that should tell you I don't do it much, but last year I did mt saint helens & mt Adams in Washington and Tuckermans Ravine a couple of times in New Hampshire. That's enough to find out that I hate my softboot set up. I have great softies for resort riding, snowshoeing and boot packing, but what really got me was the hike down from Adams in July with a full pack. I kept jamming my toes hiking down the portages. My partners who have dynafit and La Sportiva hardboots suggested I look into "the dynafit solution."

So I here I am... Right now, I have the voile mounting hardware with pucks installed for the slider plate. I think the easy and cheap option is to buy a set of dynafit radical toepieces, adapter plates and the voile mtn plate kit and then get some boots. Minus the boots, I'm looking at about $300. Ther other alternative is to go high end with Phantom binding, cleats, dynafit superlite toepieces & voile dual risers for $825. I feel like my window is short on this since the phantoms are in very limited supply. Discounted boots at a minium are looking at $450. So $750 for easier, cheaper option or 1250 for the phantom route?

Another thing on my mind is that the difference between my options is conceivably the cost of airfare to go to a mountain worthy of the upgrade. A friend has already asked me to fly to Utah for a backcountry trip.

Anyone have any advice on my options or can suggest another option?

Thanks so much!

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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:23 am 
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it can be hard to say which route to go. you can pick up dynafits toes and adapters from spark and get the voile plate binding and that set up will ride ok, i've been on it for years. or you can look into the new firstlight hardboot bindings adam just made :thumbsup: . that will help get you a lot lower on the board. the issue is after a few seasons you are probably going to want to upgrade to phantoms or whatever other bindings come out in the next few years.

so you have to decided if you want to slowly upgrade over time and probably spend more money in the long run or just lay down the big bucks now and get a great set up. if you are just looking to dabble in it, I would recommend getting some good boots and go with the voile mtn. plates. they are ugly and keep you really high on the board. but they are pretty light, cheap, and work just fine.

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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:06 pm 
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FWIW - the MTN plates don't 'feel' too high to me, even though they may look too high.

I went this route and am happy I did because I am using what I already have (Scarpa AT boots, Onyx tech toes) so it only cost me $120 for plates and Dynafit touring holes adapters to try hard boots. Now I know I like.

I will be returning the Onyx toes to the AT skis, and have bought a set of Dynafits that I want to have with Quiver Killers.

Next I plan to get nice bindings, but for now the MTN plates are OK. I love the look of the Phantoms, but am also thinking I may still want to use this board with soft boots in some cases, so the pucks + Spark bindings mean that Adam's bindings may be the best option for me to be able to change between soft and hard boots.

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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:13 pm 
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Voile Mountain Plates scare me and I do not care for their performance, but it probably doesn't make sense for you to get brand new Phantoms at the moment. If you know you will AT boot or have lots of $ then get the Phantoms.

There are used Phantoms for sale in the classifieds. I think there might be a pair of small, medium, and large. Otherwise, you might find a set of Burton or F2 bindings cheap to use the toe and heel blocks on the Voile slider plate like many of us were doing before Phantoms. (someone who went to Phantoms might sell the blocks already mounted to the slider plate).


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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:30 pm 
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I would look first to find a pair of hard boots (AT boots like: Dynafit 5/6, Scarpa F1, or the LaSportiva). If you patiently look for bargains, They will be come available.

I just scored a pair of Scarpa F1 Race for $125 off ebay! :bananas: Take a moment to understand shell and boot sizing for different manufacturers.

See http://www.evo.com/mondo-point-size-and-conversion-chart.aspx

http://gearx.com/blog/knowledge/skiing/how-to-size-ski-boots/

http://gearx.com/blog/2010/09/17/a-quick-ski-boot-fit-guide-for-alpine-touring-and-telemark-boots/

Getting the right Splitboading AT boot that fits right is your first priority. Once your boots are purchased, then you will no how much green backs you can spend on bindings.

While I have not great success with the Voile MTN Plate binding and I do like the Phantoms. If the cost is a concern; which prevents you from trying a Dynasplit / Hard boot setup, then opt for the Voile Mtn Plates or a custom splitboard binding (Burton Race Plate mod, Bomber Bindings (my personal preference), SnowPro Bindings Mod).

I over the past several years I have been able to out-fit three Dynafit-splitboard at bargain prices!

Next year I hope to purchase the Phantoms!

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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:14 pm 
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Buell: could you share why the MTN plates scare you?

I am genuinely interested, I've only been on them twice and both times it was powder, I didn't feel like they are not up to par but my experience is limited. I have heard a couple of people here say they spent a year or more on them and that they are OK to start but I'd like to learn as much as possible

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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:42 am 
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I will be selling the rev1 Firstlight bindings later this week.
I will have 3 sets for sale straight away.
I know there are some others that want them on here so grab em up quick so you don't have to wait.

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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:10 pm 
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Either do the Firstlight bindings or the Phantoms, don't mess around with the mountain plates. I'm on them right now with the same line of thinking, just dip a toe in the water and I want something lower and lighter.

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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:02 pm 
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The Rev 1 bindings are as low as you can go on a Voile Puck System
Weights are 473 grams per binding including pin.

With voile pucks and screws total binding weight less touring hardware is 1202 grams in total(601 grams per foot).

Could go lighter if requested and make more slots in the plate.

The Rev 3 bindings are 467 grams per binding including pin.
Soon to be the lightest @ 595grams per foot

Almost the same but not available till Mid 2014.

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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:40 pm 
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lernr wrote:
Buell: could you share why the MTN plates scare you?

I am genuinely interested, I've only been on them twice and both times it was powder, I didn't feel like they are not up to par but my experience is limited. I have heard a couple of people here say they spent a year or more on them and that they are OK to start but I'd like to learn as much as possible

Thank you
Ivo


I have spent a lot of time carving groomers in real snowboard hard boots and bindings. The alpine bindings for groomers are much more stout than the Voile Mountain Plates and they occasionally fail. I do not think the Voile bindings are strong enough either by design or materials. If you are a lighter rider and riding powder, they are probably fine. If you only ride occasionally and are gentle on your gear, they are also probably fine. I ride enough conditions where I cannot have a binding release. Even on more mellow slopes, having a binding release / break could really hurt the leg that is still attached to the board.


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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:25 pm 
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Good advice here already on bindings. You might look for some used boots if you are just trying things out. Some of the older Dynafit TLT models, like TLT4, TLT3, and MLT can work really well, and with luck can be found cheap. I know Zak was selling a pair in the classifieds here a week or so back… Try Craigs List as well. In NJ it is unlikely you will be hitting much in the way ski swaps, but the Internet is your friend. An old pair of Scarpa F1s could work well for ya too.

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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:01 pm 
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Mountain plates have worked for me for over 5 years: never bent, broke, ripped, chipped or tore one. The pin holes are egged out on mine from wear but thats it. I usually get 60 b/c days each season in all conditions. Good starter setup you can always upgrade later: spend the $ on boots if you are limited.


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 Post subject: Re: Making the dynafit switch - need advice on where to start
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:49 pm 
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If you're interested, I have a pair of last years Phantoms that I am willing to sell cheap. Email me if you're interested. aaronbatte@yahoo.com

Here they are mounted to my Chimera Unicorn Chaser:

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