Just bought the patagonia apastron hoody on sale, 70% discount. Normally i wear fleece but going to try primaloft puffy whenever the mountains crave. Feel like 200g is too warm to skin in. Have some patagonia polartec softshell to skin in, but cannot bring that and gore tex shell jacket?
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:39 am Posts: 106 Location: Helena, MT
imo, its a trade-off: breath-ability vs. water/wind protection.
fleece: great for layering, breath-ability. nano-hoody: great for layering on cold days, extra-insulation for your pack, or even as an outer-layer on warmer/drier days
or, you could choose the middle of the road with the nano puff hybrid. you can steal grab last year's model in some pretty fluorescent colors - a better model imo, as it has more R2 fleece vs. nano, than this year's (http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/men ... ?p=83320-1).
Joined: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:31 pm Posts: 167 Location: 802
Marmot makes a couple layers with Polartec Alpha. It's a lightweight synthetic insulation, but designed to be much more breathable. From getting a close look at the product and talking with some of the reps, it seems to be the best of both worlds. Cost is about the same as a Patagonia down sweater.
R1 + a good synthetic layer in the pack for cold lunch breaks, and riding. The great thing about the R1 is it's breathability. I have the hoody but would probably get the non hoody next time because I rarely use the hood and it just gathers snow. I don't use down for any activity where I might be sweating.
Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:41 am Posts: 278 Location: Altadena SoCal
Heads up w/Patagonia. They make sweet gear and in my experience, items that are long enough for me (6' tall w/broad shoulders) are cut for blokes way thicker than me. I got some sweat-wicking base layer tops that are too baggy. The arm holes are HUGE and don't draw sweat away from my pits which after a few days causes chafing. When I tried on a medium, the arm length and shoulders weren't long enough. Don't get me wrong. They are great where they fit; I stay cool and dry. But between biking, hiking, running, and boarding, I wear them enough I am seriously thinking of taking them to a taylor. *grumbles* But that negates the sweet end-of-season discount I bought them for.
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:07 pm Posts: 349 Location: Green Mountains
I got a black diamond polartec hoodie for fall mountain biking. The wicking ability of this stuff is insane. It's not very cozy (wind penetrates it) but it's kept my body cool and dry as opposed to damp and frigid. It took me a few trips to really trust it because it breathes almost too much. It's true that this jacket will be wetter on the outside than the inside after a good sweat.
Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:29 pm Posts: 15 Location: my heart is in AK
i've got an REI 1/4 zip fleece. no hood with thumb holes. smartwool base layer with that... money. sometimes i'd go with the R1 with a thicker base layer on. and lastly, i love hoodies. not always the best choice but i really enjoy a hooded top. my next purchase will be a primaloft nano packable puff jacket. with a hood. side note, ibex just came out with a version called woolaire. costs lotsa green backs though..