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 Post subject: Re: Why havent anyone made a snowboard like this?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:33 am 
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I have enough experience skinning now on both rocker and cambered boards that I am certain a little bit of camber through the middle and a little towards the tail of the board would save energy on the uptrack. I can make my Venture skin fine, but it does take a little extra energy, and my partners now on the same board agree. Around here, one usually experiences slippage on steep spots, especially when the track is beaten out by snowshoers or even booters! I know, sacrilage, but that is the way it is around here sometimes-especially in Rocky Mountain National Park. Usually no problems when setting a new track, or skinning in a recent track in newish snow conditions.
We have a lot of windboard around here as well, and if all the force is concentrated just in the tiny area directly under the heel lift, there is just not enough friction sometimes.
Love my board though, and I am not going to switch just for this reason-my point is to think about an ideal board...

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 Post subject: Re: Why havent anyone made a snowboard like this?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:08 pm 
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Barrows' experience is consistent with mine - a bit o' camber is more efficient and grips better on really steep sections. The only exception is that I like breaking trail on a rocker board in deep fresh snow - makes for sort of a soft trot that feels natural.

On the topic of ultimate split boards... For lack of being able to buy one in production lines, I'm having a custom deck made right now to my exact specs. Pretty exciting and fun. More on that soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Why havent anyone made a snowboard like this?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:45 pm 
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I've been waiting for a shape like sir floatsalot since rocker got popular. Having tried full rockered skis & boards I'm not sold. I've always thought early rise & early tip taper works well in pow(the powder tips on my original old grocer proves that) but I want that push back I get from camber well beyond the bindings at least half way to the tips. If the size and graphics of that atomicwere aimed at a 200# adult I'd want one. I loved the radon ct 169, but it was still a bit short and soft for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Why havent anyone made a snowboard like this?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:09 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Why havent anyone made a snowboard like this?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:54 pm 
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I've been riding this board all season and I must say WOW!

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In the Ozzie corn this thing rocks :rock: :rock: :rock:
I was unsure of the 163 with reduced effective edge, small side cut radius and long nose, I imagined it would be too small for me.
I was wrong!!
My touring buddy recons this is the board I ride the best on!
My other go to boards are - DIY Rossi experience 168 Wide - 167 Rossi XV

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I've templated a 174 for Japan with 13M sidecut and kept the nose and tail lengths long for the POW we are going to ride over there.
Just have to make a new jig for the press as the specs are crazy.
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Nose 312
Tail 288
Nose length 500
Tail length 360
Setback 110

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I'm also considering the K2 Ultrasplit, spent time with Kyle Miller and thats his new full time board and he loves it.

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The future of board design is getting exciting
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 Post subject: Re: Why havent anyone made a snowboard like this?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:35 am 
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I tried the new K2 Ultrasplit and it really surprised me!
awesome board, great shape, floats really effortless, a bit stiff (not as much as I'm used to) and quite reactive.
completely different world than the Panoramic

I didn't notice it has such a huge rocker though!

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 Post subject: Re: Why havent anyone made a snowboard like this?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:37 am 
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I guess the shape discussed in the topic is now available :D

But about the latest pics in the topic, I never noticed the new K2 split had channel-mounts, I was so confused about the hilarious advertisement video last season :D Anybody have any insight on this? Is it licensed from burton, can it be seen on other brands next season too? I guess Burton has a patent for the solid board channels, but does it actually also cover split setups? Why does the K2 split only have dual slot pucks on one side?

I remember when Forum originally came up with the channel mount system. Burton was dismissing the system in their brochure ca. 1998, claiming that such a channel makes the board flex kinked :thumpsup: Well, years went by and eventually burton claimed in their brochure that a channel system is the best system ever :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Why havent anyone made a snowboard like this?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:11 am 
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affair burton only has patents on their est bindings, so if someone else wants to use a channel they can. Also burton "developed the boards to flex properly with a channel in them" or so I have been told.


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 Post subject: Re: Why havent anyone made a snowboard like this?
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 Post subject: Re: Why havent anyone made a snowboard like this?
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For more on the EST / ICS without thread jacking

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