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 Post subject: Re: concerns with new burton "backcountry" vid
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:16 am 
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You should make your own video that shows safe snowboarding so I can not click on that one either. :bananas:

Most of these guys that are in the movies work very hard at it and take if very seriously. As some of these guys get older then I'd hope to see more progressive movies that involve splitboarding as well. Guys like Josh Dirksen and Temple Cummins are very well established and exciting riders to watch and also spend a lot of time on their splits. Forrest Burki, Matt Edgars, and lots of unknown riders around Baker are killing fun lines on their splits too, those are the guys you want to see in videos.

Don't click on "backcountry" videos if you expect them to only fit your very limited view of what the backcountry is, you'll be disappointed. You probably shouldn't watch Naturally either, go for a hike instead.

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 Post subject: Re: concerns with new burton "backcountry" vid
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:28 pm 
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Jason,
I too love to see all kinds of Backcountry stoke this time of year. I am inspired by many of the riders you mention and those shown in Burton’s film "Backcountry".

For example: Travis Rice jumping the crevasse in Deeper.

I am cool with accessing backcountry via snowmobile, splitboard or even building a kicker. Part of the joy of be in the backcoutry, is pushing one’s boundaries, will mitigating risk. Some mention above activities are riskier than others in waking up the “white dragon,” but so are the rewards.

What I am not cool with, as the term Backcountry becomes more of marketing hype, rather than soulful respect for the mountains and safely traveling in the backcountry. As more people access and enjoy the backcountry. IMO: The snowboard industry has a responsibility in marketing Backcountry in ski-porn to show some aspect backcountry safety.

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Lastly in one portion of the video there is a piece with muller in front of the backcountry gate in the stevens pass. 3 avid backcountry skiiers were killed here two seasons ago and in the video you see muller in front of signs that in short state do you have your gear, knowledge, and a partner? Which he appears to and then he walks through the gate and in the next scene you see him shredding a slope without a pack which would show he may have the knowledge and a partner although not having gear won't dig you or a buddy out from under a slide
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For example: Burton could have shown before accessing the Stevens Pass gate; shown a clip of an avy-becon check, just to initiate in the public eye, that there are risk and their backcountry travel techniques.

One favorite clips of backcountry-porn is Jones and crew riding “choker powder at Donner Pass”; It shows Jones digging a snow-pit in that video clip.

To quote Jeremy Jones:
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Is there any one message you really hope comes across in your films?
The bottom line is I've made thousands of good calls in the mountains and they don't mean anything tomorrow when I go into the mountains. We're all one bad call away from not coming home.
The dangers are real, and rule No. 1 is: Come home. The words "ride to live another day" probably go through my head a hundred times every day when I'm making decisions in the mountains.




As far as Yahoos… What does your avy-eyes :shock: tell in the following video on Loveland Pass?


Well at least it was great stoke!
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 Post subject: Re: concerns with new burton "backcountry" vid
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:17 pm 
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Powder_Rider wrote:
Jason,
IMO: The snowboard industry has a responsibility in marketing Backcountry in ski-porn to show some aspect backcountry safety.


Why? How about taking responsibility for your own actions a letting the snowboard industry stick to manufacturing gear and the film industry stick to providing stoke? I'm all for safety, but I don't need it crammed down my throat when I just want some stoke.

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 Post subject: Re: concerns with new burton "backcountry" vid
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:48 pm 
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Well the title is misleading and probably makes people think it's not necessary to have gear...but...

It's like the exact same video I've been watching for like 15 years honestly. Dudes on sleds out in pow jumping shit.

haha i like watching the old TB movies better than anything. The only newish vid I dug was Jeremy Jones segment in B where he was doing the pop shove its.

http://vimeo.com/13044796


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 Post subject: Re: concerns with new burton "backcountry" vid
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:55 pm 
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[quote="Powder_Rider"]

As far as Yahoos… What does your avy-eyes :shock: tell in the following video on Loveland Pass?



7 minutes in that is a hella terrain trap...tough when you are mid schralp, but I'd be looking to get out of dodge right there!


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 Post subject: Re: concerns with new burton "backcountry" vid
PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:29 am 
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The reality is that you can't dig yourself out with your own shovel if you are buried. We use snowmobiles almost exclusively and sometimes don't snowboard with packs on if someone has
"eyes on." It's about judgement. Terje's part in the video is top shelf!


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 Post subject: Re: concerns with new burton "backcountry" vid
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:00 am 
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Powder_Rider wrote:
What I am not cool with, as the term Backcountry becomes more of marketing hype, rather than soulful respect for the mountains and safely traveling in the backcountry. As more people access and enjoy the backcountry. IMO: The snowboard industry has a responsibility in marketing Backcountry in ski-porn to show some aspect backcountry safety.


That's cool, I'm bummed out by misrepresentation in marketing too. To me "backcountry" has never had much to do with safe travel. If I wanted that I'd stick to the ski area where everything is controlled and patrollers are waiting to sled you down to the base area if you sprain your ankle.

To me backcountry is simply where you go to get away from everyone else and that hasn't changed for the last 20 years or so of my riding. If we aren't riding in the ski area then we called it "backcountry". My own backcountry experience has evolved but I think that's typical too. Over those 20 years I have continuously educated myself through experience, reading books and online sources, and taking courses offered through the local ski area, local guiding companies, or a local branch of the Mountaineers club. It is not Burton's responsibility to teach me but I do appreciate your concern, just not your reaction. Backcountry riding has come back around as something popular and Burton is trying to leverage that. I can't blame them.

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 Post subject: Re: concerns with new burton "backcountry" vid
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:54 am 
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It is not Burton's responsibility to teach me but I do appreciate your concern, just not your reaction. Backcountry riding has come back around as something popular and Burton is trying to leverage that. I can't blame them.


Perhaps my reaction is over the top. What I am trying to get across that companies promoting Backcountry (even slackcountry, which is really backcountry), can include a brief clip of some snow safety, not to educate, but just enough awareness, to say hey newbie what's that??? a beacon check, or digging snow pit.

Brief in that it does not that takes away from stoke in ski-porn. I do believe have beacon shovel and probe on each member of your party and in this case the film crew's party is imperative. I believe this is keeping with the original post of this thread.

Here in Colorado High Country, there are place which offer ease of access, such as Berthod Pass and Loveland Pass. It does not take much time to go over past years snowboarder-accidents at the Colorado Avalanche Information Center, to show these are active avalanche areas (whether snow safety gear was present or not) with ease of access for new backcountry snowboarders to visit. Hence in marketing Backcountry comes with corporate responsibility to express snow safety in their marketing efforts, including ski-porn.


By no means I am I advocating this:

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=77413941930

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 Post subject: Re: concerns with new burton "backcountry" vid
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:58 pm 
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I support the idea of glamorizing the safety gear using cut shots of guys building kickers while wearing their transcievers or hiking out with their packs on but I still don't have a problem with Burton using the label of "backcountry" for kickers into pow that aren't inside the ski area.

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