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 Post subject: warm snow, wax and glue goop
PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 9:57 pm 
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Lovely sunny hot day in the PacNW, and I took the splitboard to Snoqulamie and skinned up Silver Fir.
This was a late afternoon exercise run, first outing after a surgery break since Easter. On the way down, the board was sooooooo slow - turns out there was a layer of goop on the base. The board had been stored without the skins, and it had been machine-waxed when last used.

So what's that? Wax-failure due to temp? too much wax left? glue failure due to temp? WTF?

Glad this happened today during a chill single run, and not during a serious outing, .. but what happened, and what do YOU do to avoid this/deal with it?

Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: warm snow, wax and glue goop
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 5:40 am 
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Yellow Swix to rub on.

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 Post subject: Re: warm snow, wax and glue goop
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 3:13 pm 
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Thanks, but ... why did the mess happen? What do you do in the wild to clean up the bases? Yellow Swix - you said rub-on. What do you iron in? Also Yellow swix? Thanks :)


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 Post subject: Re: warm snow, wax and glue goop
PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:37 am 
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what skins do you have?

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 Post subject: Re: warm snow, wax and glue goop
PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:19 pm 
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Snoqualmie is notorious for nasty dirty snow, the best defense is a good summer wax and avoiding the dirtiest of snow whenever possible. You can't ride in the summer at lower elevations without dealing with sticky dirty snow, its just how it works! As soon as the sun starts coming out regularly, we start getting the boards that are just black with gunk from the pass!

Some people swear by not running any wax in the summer because they claim that the wax attracts the goop. We always wax up with a healthy mix of warm temp and graphite and it works well until it wears off. It shouldn't be the skin wax, but it is a slight possibility.

Honestly the best thing to do is not ride when its that warm out, get up early and stack your laps before the snow gets that wet and heavy

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 Post subject: Re: warm snow, wax and glue goop
PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:40 am 
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Chair2BoardSports wrote:
Honestly the best thing to do is not ride when its that warm out, get up early and stack your laps before the snow gets that wet and heavy


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 Post subject: Re: warm snow, wax and glue goop
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:10 pm 
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http://epubl.ltu.se/1402-1757/2006/03/LTU-LIC-0603-SE.pdf

this has been posted here before, the conclusion is that a fresh waxed base is a little faster than a flat scraped raw base for the first run, then especially in dirtier snow, a flat-scraped bare PTEX base is faster and the waxed base gets dirty and slower with each run (or lap around the XC course in the study). I think it said that a structured base without wax is measurably slower than the flat scraped base without wax, so you need to scrape it flat or wax and clean old wax off. No word on whether the scientist behind is selling flat scrapers. :lol:

The other question is why the marketing folks at the wax companies haven't promoted "dirt-repellant" waxes for tree riding and late season snow. duh.


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