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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:30 pm 
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On a positive note, this week has shown me just how awesome a community we have. Several forums out there have been full of speculation, arm chair quarterbacking and a general lack of respect for those who lost their lives. Not here. Thank you. This kind of respect is getting more and more rare these days.

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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:00 pm 
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^^^This too makes me very proud to see fellow splitters pulling together in time of tragedy...
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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:06 pm 
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Terrible tragedy, wrong place wrong time, and something that could have happened to any of us, as we've all gotten lucky with complacency before. RIP guys.
On another note, though, it kills me to read the reporting of these types of incidents in the major news outlets, and it kills me even more to read the comments from the general public, such as this example:
No signals were detected? But no one goes into avalanche areas without their transponders switched to 'broadcast'? You always assume you will be quickly overtaken and have your respirators on, reinforced against outside pressure. Third, you have a helicopter with a low pitch sound go ahead of you to try to make a forced avalanche in the supposedly safe area.
WTF?

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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
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Terrible tragedy, wrong place wrong time, and something that could have happened to any of us, as we've all gotten lucky with complacency before. RIP guys.
On another note, though, it kills me to read the reporting of these types of incidents in the major news outlets, and it kills me even more to read the comments from the general public, such as this example:
No signals were detected? But no one goes into avalanche areas without their transponders switched to 'broadcast'? You always assume you will be quickly overtaken and have your respirators on, reinforced against outside pressure. Third, you have a helicopter with a low pitch sound go ahead of you to try to make a forced avalanche in the supposedly safe area.
WTF?


Honestly, that shit ^ bothers me much less than self-appointed Pope Dawson getting on his soapbox, MMQB'ing before the report was even out. And the guy from the Denver Post, Blevins, sniffing around Facebook on Saturday looking for a scoop.

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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
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Exactly what he said ^^. I lost a lot of respect for Dawson after seeing that posted over there.


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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
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Nice article about Joe Timlin in the Vail Daily

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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
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Exactly what he said ^^. I lost a lot of respect for Dawson after seeing that posted over there.



Same here, but don't get me started... I was so pissed off about it but thought I might just be over reacting. Guess others saw the same thing I did.

Just to be clear, what ticked me off most was how he jumped in so quickly in hast to do a write up when there was so little information to go on. Why not just wait for the report? That would seem like the "prudent" thing to do? Now that it's out, healthy discussion can began, but even still, trying to "read between the lines" seems like a recipe to just make up a bunch of stuff that may not be true to this situation. To each there own. I've taken away a few simple big picture items that I'll be chewing on for a while.


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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:09 am 
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The Loveland Pass five and the surviving sixth's tragedy was not in vein. This event echoes of the passing of Mark Foo or Craig Kelly and those who where there for those loses. Not in that we lost in the Loveland Pass avalanche iconic riders but instead we lost pioneers who were doing everything possibly right but still were taken by overwhelming elements.

Those our community lost last week and the one who came down the mountain alive have a message for us and we must thank them for it. What are they saying to us now and for decades to come is; "Follow us.... but don't go that way, instead go that other way. Don't do it like this but do it that other way. Follow us... for it is life to live even when we might not return; but strive to be safe to return to the trailhead."

Thoughts and prayers go out for the Loveland Pass Five/the Sixth Survivor and their families and friends.

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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
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Not going to QB, as this could have easily been me in the news. These guys fucked up. But lord knows I've made my share of mistakes. I think Lou knows his shit though. You can't be in the game that long otherwise. Granted, he also runs a blog and benefits from publicity. However, I think he is trying to help the BC community in his review of this accident.

The QB'ing on this incident is at an all-time high, as one might expect for a multiple burial in a popular area. I think some of this QB'ing is coming a bit too soon, much of it before the bodies were even laid to rest. I dont remember Lou having such harsh criticism of Steve Romeo when he made a final mistake. But in the end, I think the discussion will ultimately help all of us make better decisions in the BC. Thats about all I have on that.

http://www.wildsnow.com/9980/sheep-creek-avalanche-site-visit/

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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
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I got up to Loveland Resort on Tuesday, and could see the crown still in place. It's an image I wont forget anytime soon, and it felt like a bad bad sucker punch to the gut. It's so easy to imagine myself or close friends in their shoes, it's just awful.

To honor our fallen brother's memory I hope we can all take away some sort of wisdom from this, and strive to not only be safer but also more kind and helpful to others. This is my commitment.

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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:05 am 
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Not going to QB, as this could have easily been me in the news. These guys fucked up. But lord knows I've made my share of mistakes. I think Lou knows his shit though. You can't be in the game that long otherwise. Granted, he also runs a blog and benefits from publicity. However, I think he is trying to help the BC community in his review of this accident.

The QB'ing on this incident is at an all-time high, as one might expect for a multiple burial in a popular area. I think some of this QB'ing is coming a bit too soon, much of it before the bodies were even laid to rest. I dont remember Lou having such harsch criticism of Steve Romeo when he made a final mistake. But in the end, I think the discussion will ultimately help all of us make better decisions in the BC. Thats about all I have on that.

http://www.wildsnow.com/9980/sheep-creek-avalanche-site-visit/


Agreed. The part that bugs me the most is the harping on the "expert" label over there. None of the Loveland group was ever out there claiming to be an "expert" or have high levels of expertise. This is just words the media flung around in its reporting. Lou and crew, while creating good discussion, seem to have the need to subtly knock on their experience.. And the poster putting up a victims outdoor resume to see if it meets the level of expert is just distasteful and tacky.


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 Post subject: Re: Avalanche kills five snowboarders at Loveland Pass, CO
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Agreed. Tacky to say the least, Lou should know better. The media and other people coined that description, not any of the victims.

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