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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram VS Spark
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:26 pm 
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Board cut in two and leverage made by binding causes board halves play vs each other during every turn (maybe except powder riding).

Unless you are p-texing down the hill (running flat) then one half of the board (the one that is off the snow) is basically hardly contributing at all to the ride. On firm snow it will be up in the air. In softer snow it will add to float, but whether or not it follows the precise surface contour of the 'working' half of the board seems a little academic. Not that I think it does not matter the degree to which the two halves are unified, just that it is not the most critical factor. Adding a Karakoram clip or Chinese hook at the center of the board will do the most to make the two halves work together when in ride mode. On all my boards, regardless of the bindings, the center section around the waist was the only spot where the two halves flexed relative to each other. Still, almost no one seems to care enough to add a clip there.

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram VS Spark
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:54 pm 
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Philip, I mostly agree, but I do feel board offset can be a problem (but not so much any offset in the middle of the board). Consider conditions in which one is riding aggressively, in snow where both halves of the board are in contact (deeper snow), and one is doing smeared turns (on purpose), in this case, and offset will tend to grab the snow; if one end grabs more than the other, the tendency will be to twist the board away. I detune the inner edge of the splitboard a lot to help this from being a problem, and have felt the difference in ride quality in doing so (I leave the central section sharp for grip underfoot in tour mode).
OK, so how big of a problem is this in the real world? Only the individual rider can answer that question for themselves-I do suggest people experiment withe a radical detune of the inside edges, at least at the tip and tail of the board to see if they feel difference themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram VS Spark
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:39 pm 
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@barrows.

your hitlist is first speed remounted , and second stiffy.
i agree with you that overlapped pucks have some problem at ice condition - like the Phantoms, i have all systems at home and i now the direrents in the detail - my mine is voile pucks in overlapped with a gap is perfect ( pom custom pucks)
build some custom pucks overlapped with a gap and test it.


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram VS Spark
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:18 am 
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philip.ak wrote:
Side to side flex is bad, and the Karakorams have none of it. Really? Here is what mine did with mild pressure:

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Now imagine strapping in and really torquing on that sucker.
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Side to side flex is bad, and the Karakorams have none of it. Really? Here is what mine did with mild pressure:

Now imagine strapping in and really torquing on that sucker.


I strap into and torque the crap out of it every time I ride them. Are you implying they'll break? Cuz they won't. Your gif example is a misrepresentation as you cannot see how much lift you get with pucks because there is not a connected piece that sticks out to the side as far as K's. If there was I would bet $$$ you would get more lift with the same amount of pressure. If you're implying they have more slop than V's then at least do a test on both and compare them.


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram VS Spark
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:16 am 
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I did not imply anywhere that I thought it would break. I simply pointed out that they flex an insane amount after you claimed that side-to-side flex was bad, and the lack of such flex was why the K bindings were so awesome. :lol:

Just out of curiosity, how much $$$? :)

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram VS Spark
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:34 am 
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My vote is for sparks! Im not saying that them bindings are the "end all be all" of snowboard binding evolution.. I do think that plastic bindings are far superior than metal.. (Do you really think its OK for a metal part to flex? :lol: ) And would like to see an all plastic sparks binding. I dont need the magneto or any split binding with moving parts.. And no amount of welds, or carbon fibre "Makes" the binding, that shits all hype.... I have used and abused my sparks, broken them, sent them back, warrenteed them and made frankenbinders out of old extra parts ... I think the sparks are tried and true... A binding for someone who gets out and gets it ALL THE TIME.

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram VS Spark
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:37 pm 
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Gotta say I have been real happy with my K's. But shit happens...

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These are two years old and I know the newer models are cleaning up some of the issues discussed above. I think the one of major things to consider is customer support. Bryce at Karakoram took care of me and has replacement parts on the way.

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram VS Spark
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No doubt, the K bros have great customer service and they willingly exchanged the bad parts on my Split30s quickly and free of charge. Then again Will @ Spark is also awesome. I don't see customer service as a reason to choose one over the other.

Slightly off topic, you a bread dude? Mmmmm... homemade sourdough....

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram VS Spark
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Yeah I agree in this case it sounds like both have great customer service so it's a non issue. If one had a bad reputation for customer service I would consider that a factor.

I'm a i'll cook anything dude and bread has been this winter's project along with jerky hence the snojerk. Nothing better than a good loaf of bread! Looks like you got it nailed down :drool:

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Is that pastrami? Mmmmm, with an IPA

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram VS Spark
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Is that pastrami? Mmmmm, with an IPA


I like your style :drool:

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram VS Spark
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Black Forest Ham and Havarti, though I'm often a peppered salami with Brie guy.

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