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 Post subject: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:59 pm 
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I need some advice from some people that have had a good amount of experience on different splitboards or that currently use or have used one of these camber/rocker profiles

I am doing some research on some boards before i purchase one and when I first started I was overwhelmed because as always there is so many choices but after looking into each companies splitboard line and also considering what I plan on doing with the board a lot of boards were not for me.

To clearify I wouldn't call myself a freestyle rider but when I ride pow I feel more comfortable to mess around do spins and flips that's way I'm leaning towards a centered board or slightly set back .5-1inch nothing crazy. So I can still ride and land switch without completely feeling out of whack.

I'm 5'7" 165lbs, I want a board that will float well in deep pow but also tough enough to take the big hits, like steeps, big jumps and perform well at high speed. I currently own a few board with a good amount of different camber/rocker profiles like Direction Camber/Rocker, Libtech Enhanced BTX!, Camrock, Direction/pow Camrock, TBT. I do not own a board with a rocker/flat/rocker profiles yet that's is way I'm not sure how it performs. If I had to pick one of the above as the best in my opinion as all around profile it would be CamRock for sure I have The Greats in a 156 and I board is definitely one of a kind can handle Pow very will and steeps and super stable at high speed.

These are the boards and camber profiles I narrowed it down to any info good or bad on any of these and also how the different profiles perform riding and touring would be greatly appreciated. Lenght suggestions also I current ride 152 park, 154-156 all around and 156-159 in pow.

K2 Panoramic Split has All mtn Rocker : Rocker/Flat/Rocker 30% Rocker & 70% Flat

Lib Tech Travis Roce Pro Split
GNU Billy Goat
both board have C2 BTX which is camber under each foot and rocker between feet and rocker tip and tail

Never Summer Summit Split
Never Summer SL Split
both have NS R.C Tech with is Camber under feet and Rocker between bindings and rocker tip and tail. Slightly more rocker then the C2 BTX it appears

Prior AMF Split has camber under and between bindings and rocker tip and tail, a similar profile to CamRock in my opinion

Venture Helix has rocker/flat/rocker but from what I read that the Helix will not is available next season instead they are making a slightly setback version called the Zelix I think or something along those lines which depending how setback it will be will decide if it will work for my style of riding.

Arbor Abacus which comes with a Parabolic Rocker profile which is rocker from tip to tail


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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:45 am 
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i would take the never summer summit off your list. it's quite directional/freeride, with a fair amount of taper and setback.

the rest of the boards would most likely work for what you want. as far as camber styles and skinning grip, boards with flat (k2, venture) and cambered in the center theoretically have better skinning grip but i think people who have boards with rockered centers usually adjust and do just as well once they are used to the shape.

i would size your board based on at least your powder sizing. but make sure to consider how far out of bounds and how much gear you will most likely be traveling with, what the snowpack and terrain you are usually riding in consists of. then consider how much of that playfulness you want to keep vs what kind of stability/float could be necessary for where your are. at your weight you'll probably still be able to throw around a 158-160 pretty easily and lower-to mid 160s should still be a bit playful with more stability and float. I'm a bit taller and the same weight and my first split is a DIY 156cm, but we don't get a steady supply big powder days where I am and mostly all my splitting was from the resort boundary out. so it all depends on what you need it for.

as far as board choice, good luck. somebody on here loves every one of those boards so there are positives to all those models.


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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:05 pm 
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Really appreciate the response, that slightly narrows things down for me well knocking the Summit out that is. I will definitely keep the size on the shorter length just to keep the playfulness up I'm thinkin no higher there 161. I don't get too many powder days here either but I don't travel a good amount so conditions vary. Ill keep trying to find more info on each board and hoping some people will give me some insight on some of these other boards

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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:56 pm 
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I would highly recommend adding the Voile Palindrome to your list. I rode it at a demo a few weeks back and that board rips. The added flat section under the touring bracket makes the boart quite a bit more stable than full reverse camber boards. I didn't get a tour on it, but I can only imagine the skinning to be improved over a full reverse camber or the c2 type (never summer/lib).

I have never really been impressed with the combination rocker/camber boards, in my opinion they do most things ok, but nothing really well. They lack awesome float in deep snow, but do ok, and dont feel as stable on hard pack as a full cambered deck. Boards that are cambered under foot with "early rise" are hands down my favorite splits though, its the ones that make their boards look like a piece of bacon that I have never liked.

Don't buy anything until you get a chance to ride it, every board, even similar profiles (like the rocker/camber available from Never summer, Lib, Gnu, and Voile) all ride differently. There are probably no less than 10 twin boards that would fit your needs. Head to your local SplitFest or demo day and spend some time on each board you are looking at. When you are dropping $1000 on a board, waiting a little until you get to ride a few is worth more than you can imagine!

Good luck on the search :thatrocks:

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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:33 pm 
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The Voile Palindrome is the same design Ben built when he owned Sentury. It used to be called the Sync. I had some BC days on the westshore of Tahoe and it was a sweet ride. Touring was no problem and float in pow was nice. Brooks took it out a few days later and killed it on that board.

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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:17 pm 
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I had the Voile Palindrome on my list well bookmarks not sure how i overlooked it its a sweet ride and has a centered stance that a plus in my book any down sides to the flat area between binding ? Meaning stability or anything like that I would think that pop would be a lil better on the camber between the feet but for a split that isn't a big deal. Rocker and flat no surprise it floats well.


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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:21 pm 
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B-P wrote:
Boards that are cambered under foot with "early rise" are hands down my favorite splits though, its the ones that make their boards look like a piece of bacon that I have never liked.



You mean camber under foot like neversummer and lib tech right ? Meaning some sort of rocker between bindings and camber sections under foot then rocker tip and tail


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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:26 pm 
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LPowhuntr wrote:
You mean camber under foot like neversummer and lib tech right ? Meaning some sort of rocker between bindings and camber sections under foot then rocker tip and tail


I think he's talking about Rocker / Camber / Rocker or possibly S-rocker, in comparison with the flyingV /Vrock shape. From my personal experience the C2/flyingV/artisan shape is kind of bouncy and doesn't plane as well or feel as smooth as a proper S-rocker (camber to front foot, then early rise nose). But that's not to say the twin capability of the C2 types doesn't make them just as fun to ride, they just have different strengths.

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Good luck with your search, lot of good product out there.

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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:50 pm 
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provotrout wrote:
From my personal experience the C2/flyingV/artisan shape is kind of bouncy and doesn't plane as well or feel as smooth as a proper S-rocker (camber to front foot, then early rise nose). But that's not to say the twin capability of the C2 types doesn't make them just as fun to ride, they just have different strengths.



So you perfer the camber between the feet over the rocker between the feet right? I do notice that between my Banana Magic Enhanced BTX (rocker between feet) compared to The Greats Camrock camber between feet, the rocker obviously floats a lil better but overall camber feel better all around and more stable in my opinion probably because more of the board is planted on the ground at a time.


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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
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to me the full body rocker of an overall "V" just feels a little like a see-saw. Whereas the S-rocker has the nose to float but the camber to flex underfoot and give a consistent contact area/flex feel. Idk, not exactly a tester but that's my impression so far. I still like the V boards, just ride them a bit differently.

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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:00 pm 
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Yeahh I know what you mean with a rocker board it a bit of a balancing act in thoery fun without a doubt and easier all around but when you wanna haul or really hold a edge not quiet the board of choice

Thanx for the input greatly appreciated


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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:36 am 
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I have a Libtech TRS, is a playfull board that's really easy to ride and you can still ride icy slopes and traverses pretty well with the magnatraction. But I don't think it's the best for the uphill to be honest. I seem to slide back a lot more than people I tour with, not sure why this is.

On my other LibTech this seems to be a little better, even with the same skins. I'm lighter than you and ride a 164, it floats just enough but I wouldn't go any smaller to be honest for the TRS.

Also it's kinda slow if you need to ride out of flat bits. I don't know if it's the factory wax/grind, but it's a lot slower than my other boards. Maybe a stonegrind and a few good waxes will solve this, but I should think it would be a little better from the factory as it's not a cheap board.

Just some feedback on the TRS, no experience with the other boards. So it's not perfect, but i still slightly prefer it over my Dark Series Libtech as it's not as stiff in the tail and a bit easier to turn.

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 Post subject: Re: Splitboard & camber/flat/rocker profile help
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:50 am 
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ieism wrote:
I have a Libtech TRS, is a playfull board that's really easy to ride and you can still ride icy slopes and traverses pretty well with the magnatraction. But I don't think it's the best for the uphill to be honest. I seem to slide back a lot more than people I tour with, not sure why this is.

On my other LibTech this seems to be a little better, even with the same skins. I'm lighter than you and ride a 164, it floats just enough but I wouldn't go any smaller to be honest for the TRS.



Really ? A 164 yikes I've been told to go up to the 160s to be honest I was considering more around 159-161 tops comes down to the board I suppose I want it to be playful but yet stable enough at speed and above all float well cause without that I'm not going no where. But thanx for the info on this board helps me out a little when it comes down to the Gnu and Lib Tech same profile and all. Really appreciate it I'm surprised about the float I would think with that camber profile and rocker between feet it would float better then most.

Thanx again


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