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 Post subject: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:32 pm 
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coming soon!!


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Inspired by this

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Just ask, it'll be a board in the 180-190cm range to start with

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:05 pm 
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Some specs on the two boards

Top board SS1
180cm
side cut is 5400

Bottom board SS2
190cm
side cut is 12750

Its a bit like you said, similar to furberg but the rocker camber will be more like the Voile flat/camber/rocker option.

Other models will come.
Carbon fiber board will be Standard offering.

The idea is a light strong board. You can see these are big boppers so they will only appeal to certain riders.
Some boards are currently being tested in Japan now!

Small production runs

The other model being looked at is the Tailwalker

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168cm small cousin to the SS

Std camber board
Option for hybrid rocker
Same layup, carbon fiber std.
Pin tail design, might even have flyers!

Core design under way for new materials and thickness requirements.



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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:36 pm 
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Firstlight:

Good idea for separate thread and thanks for this information. I think these are refreshing and exciting designs (just like your bindings). Good stuff happening down under.

To clarify, that's a 12.75 M radius on the second board? Do you have shovel, waist and tail width for it too? A schematic of the camber / rocker profile would be sweet too if you have it and aren't worried about making your design ideas fully public.

I may be interested in one of these depending on just-begun discussions with Chimera regarding a big dum dum (similar ideas to here).

Per discussion from Whistlermaverick, Scooby2 and Barrows, of the second shape...

Stubbing the shovel and tail: I agree that stubbing the shovel and tail a bit is desirable but, as likely will not surprise you, I would take the approach of extending the side-cut 5-8 cm fore and aft and then adjusting shovel and tail shape accordingly... Building on the effective real estate rather than reducing overall length.

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:31 pm 
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Guys
These will almost be supply to order style boards.
We are a surfboard manufacturer too and all our surfboards are made to order.
I'm not sure why the snowboard community hasn't adopted this mindset.
I think sometime people look at the design too much these days.

With the surfboards side of the business we came from making boards by hand, laminating by hand and sanding by hand.
When a customer returned a year later wanting another board exactly the same, it was almost impossible to reproduce.
Since then we now have CNC shaping machines that cut boards in 10 mins.
The finishing of the blank is still done by hand the the glassing and sanding is also but the raw shape can be reproduced a 1000 times over.
This also gives the surfer the ability to say he wants the fins in different position, less volume in the rails or different bottom shape.
The plan template is the same but you can play with these factors.
The Surf industry now relates foam volume to board design. you can have a 6'6 board with the same foam volume as a 6'9 board.
This allows the shaper to put buoyancy in the right spot of the board for the riders requirements.

I will be doing the same methodology for the snowboard design.
I think surface area is a factor that is miss used in this industry.
You can the have a 162 with the same surface area as a 166, same float but different design.
Same with rocker profiles, in a surf board the rocker effects the performance quite a bit. The term is sometimes called "pushing water" if the rocker is excessive. Again playing with rocker / camber will effect the amount of surface area the board has on the snow.
This relates to the question about tail length and swallowtail vs pintail.

The boards will be prototyped and tested and our preference in Australia is for camber boards for our "Firm conditions"
The idea of a quiver of boards needs to be looked at too in the world of snowboarding, unless you ride the same conditions every day!
We know here that the Australian boards wont work in Japan.
Guys that ride 150 in oz would ride 168 in Japan.

I hope this sheds some light on our Philosophy

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:23 pm 
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Sweet looking boards Adam. I think there are a few small board manufactures that are making boards to order, but I bet you are on the extreme end. Pretty cool that you guys also make surf boards and how that has influenced your snow/splitboards.

One reason I can see why more manufactures aren't making boards to order might be because most people wouldn't know how to really spec out a board. Myself being one of them. I mean, I get some of the general principles of what influences the ride, but to be honest, I don't have the through put to dig down into all the details I would think would be needed to spec one out. I think for me, it would just be a case of being overwhelmed by all the choices. Not trying to discourage you because I think it's really cool that you guys can do this, just giving you an outside opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
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keffler wrote:
One reason I can see why more manufactures aren't making boards to order might be because most people wouldn't know how to really spec out a board. Myself being one of them. I mean, I get some of the general principles of what influences the ride, but to be honest, I don't have the through put to dig down into all the details I would think would be needed to spec one out. I think for me, it would just be a case of being overwhelmed by all the choices.


Keffler
This was the case in the surfboard industry years ago. Most guys brought "off the shelve".
As people grew more accustomed to their preference, they came in to ask for custom options.
What we are doing is making boards that we want to ride. We can make this happen for you too!
This then can then be done for the general public.
I would give help to the customer but try not to influence their decision.
Again these boards may be for those that know what they want but there is no standard shape "on the shelve" for them top buy.
Those ordering may have more knowledge than we do and they can come up with their own design for us to make.

We must realise that these industries were underground at the early stages and lots of sporting gear was made in backyards till the main stream jumped onboard.

There are current example of this now with powsurfers and PLP boards in Europe being made by lovers of the sport.

I love the passion and feedback so thanks for your input guys


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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
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firstlight wrote:


I think surface area is a factor that is miss used in this industry.
You can the have a 162 with the same surface area as a 166, same float but different design.
Same with rocker profiles, in a surf board the rocker effects the performance quite a bit. The term is sometimes called "pushing water" if the rocker is excessive. Again playing with rocker / camber will effect the amount of surface area the board has on the snow.
This relates to the question about tail length and swallowtail vs pintail.


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firstlight wrote:
The boards will be prototyped and tested and our preference in Australia is for camber boards for our "Firm conditions"
The idea of a quiver of boards needs to be looked at too in the world of snowboarding, unless you ride the same conditions every day!
We know here that the Australian boards wont work in Japan.
Guys that ride 150 in oz would ride 168 in Japan.

I hope this sheds some light on our Philosophy


I hope you get trips to Japan Adam, some of these shapes should never see hardpack

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
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more power to ya firstlight! Maybe you can be the one to start the trend of listing square cms of surface area for each board. maybe a good industry standard to set would be to measure from the tip to where the tail curve breaks upwards, then to also provide the whole base area tip to tail. That wasn't a thread hijack was it?


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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
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Scooby2 wrote:
...Start the trend of listing square cms of surface area for each board. maybe a good industry standard to set would be to measure from the tip to where the tail curve breaks upwards, then to also provide the whole base area tip to tail.


+ 1

Excellent idea.

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
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Hi Adam,

Can you talk about how you plan to use carbon in your boards? Is it a wood core with carbon on top instead of glass or are you running carbon all the way through? I'm looking for a lightweight powder board for next year.

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
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I will be using carbon instead of triax glass for the prototypes. Then we will be playing around with laminating different woods for the cores and maybe some synthetic product in there too!
I buy materials from the same place as boat building and surf industry guys and there are chemical nerds that help me out with resign types and wacky composites. They tell me there are some product that might suit the boards. hopefully the cores should be super light and strong.
I am friends with one of the largest surfboard foam manufactures in the world and they make experimental foam and stuff for all round the world, they have been helpfull in this process too.
Should be fun times ahead :clap: :clap:

But........ as I have seen in the surf side of our business, what worked 30 years ago is still the preferred method of manufacturing and what is tried and tested is often the best.

Lets see what comes of this.

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
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awesome! stoked to see what happens with these

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
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geez, reminds me of the board i helped build for a neighbor who is 6'8" 400lbs+ size 17 shoe, like the shapes though

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