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The prob with the old clicker was the heel lift in the boots, if they fixed this then they may have something. Looks like they did change the toe clip, the old design had it bolted on with two bolts in the back, so snow could pack in there, it now looks like it attaches on the sides similar the back clip. This may help clear snow.

Shasta's story is interesting, I do remember though that once you got clicked in you could twist the release lever sideways and a small tab on the bottom of the handle would slide under the binding essentially locking you in.

I have K2 T1 double Boa's now, granted they are three years old. the outer Boa loosens up pretty easy, wish it had laces instead.

Also wondering if the new boots will work with the old bindings? Might prove to be more popular as a resort set-up if they fixed the old boot issues.


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Yeah 4 pounds seems like a bogous claim. I think the clicker system is a cool concept. I've got a buddy thats been riding them for years and he's had no problems with the bindings, just complaints about the boots.
It's funny how some folks get worked up about products :wink: . New systems can only be good for the split world, it's not like they will push all competion out of the market.
Again (insert dead horse with flies buzzing here) i'd be all about the hardboot set up if i had $1,200 burning a hole in my pocket. I really like the looks of the Phantom/Dyna set-up,but i digress.


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Been splitting with modded clickers in Utah since late 90s or so, no problems, I've had many more strap-in binding components break before then, and not much deep snow out here ever. fear them! :lol:

I wish they were making one with a built in on/off highback for longer strides while touring, but I'm sure I'll get a pair of the boots if they are lighter than what I have now.

It will be interesting to see if the boa cable strings over the instep within the boot are a viable replacement for cranking down an ankle strap as in the versions that I have now. Could be quite a pressure point there if the pressure of the cables isn't spread out through some dense material.


It's funny, I used to use the burton step ins, and I remember back in the day when I started splitting a few of you guys were riding clickers and buying up all the used clicker gear on ebay because they discontinued it. I realize most of the naysayers probably aren't aware that there was such a strong clicker following from early splitters, but there was, and there was a reason. I applaud K2 for it's efforts here. If we softbooters ever want a fully integrated, modular system with a good boot, THIS is the company to do it. Let's get behind K2. I don't need any new gear this year, but next year....I'm going to seriously consider K2 stuff.

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The prob with the old clicker was the heel lift in the boots, if they fixed this then they may have something. Looks like they did change the toe clip, the old design had it bolted on with two bolts in the back, so snow could pack in there, it now looks like it attaches on the sides similar the back clip. This may help clear snow.

Shasta's story is interesting, I do remember though that once you got clicked in you could twist the release lever sideways and a small tab on the bottom of the handle would slide under the binding essentially locking you in.

I have K2 T1 double Boa's now, granted they are three years old. the outer Boa loosens up pretty easy, wish it had laces instead.

Also wondering if the new boots will work with the old bindings? Might prove to be more popular as a resort set-up if they fixed the old boot issues.


I'd just assume the new clicker boots are modified version of the T1. I don't think they'll go back to the old technology in boot construction.

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Always good to see more products in the market but....


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Very telling -- I spoke with Kyle Miller a few weeks ago when he was in town for a slideshow thing, and he said K2 had some new system they were very hush hush about. They wanted him to come demo it at Mt. Rainier in a few weeks, but wouldn't tell him what it was. So obviously their #1 splitboard athlete was not involved at all in the design of this new system. AKA Someone Who Actually Splitboards.

Sorry to be so harsh, but I can't think of a better example of a splitboard system obviously not designed by anyone who actually splitboards as their primary mode of BC travel. My :twocents:

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I met Hunter and another K2 employee while out on the slopes this past week. They were doing some laps on the new Ultra split and Kwicker set up.

Actually getting to see the design and in use had me pretty impressed as someone who has worked in R&D and as a splitter. The touring bracket looked nice and beefy. They claimed "about 3-4 lbs lighter than current setups". So I guess that means about 3 lbs less than a K/Spark setup which is still a huge savings. They were killing in on the transitions in our 14" of fresh pow that day. Obviously it's going to come down to the boot redesign. I didn't get much info on the redesign.

Apparently it will be offered as a package deal w/ the ultra and separately. I believe he said it will be Premiering at the Mt. Baker SF.


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I'm just scarred from the day I described: it started out with the approach skis that didn't work very well and went worse from there as I described.

Glad to see new systems and competition that only will drive better products.


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Well, I think we need to wait and see if its a good system. I like that companies are trying different stuff, even if its back with the old stuff..Every time I go into a snowboard shop, I just shake my head at the total garbage we have to choose from. Bindings look like big plastic pieces of shit, graphics and boards for 12 year olds, boots that are over built with all kinds of fake leather neon puke garbage sweaty shit crap..

But really, the big thing we need, and already have I suppose if your willing to mod a 700 dollar boot :wink: is a walk mode. Period. That is the reason people switch to hardboots, and that is what makes us slower and more tired than skiers. To me, the solution for now is still finding a hardboot/dynafit system that works for you.


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Well, I think we need to wait and see if its a good system. I like that companies are trying different stuff, even if its back with the old stuff..Every time I go into a snowboard shop, I just shake my head at the total garbage we have to choose from. Bindings look like big plastic pieces of shit, graphics and boards for 12 year olds, boots that are over built with all kinds of fake leather neon puke garbage sweaty shit crap..

But really, the big thing we need, and already have I suppose if your willing to mod a 700 dollar boot :wink: is a walk mode. Period. That is the reason people switch to hardboots, and that is what makes us slower and more tired than skiers. To me, the solution for now is still finding a hardboot/dynafit system that works for you.


Yeah, this is really where I am at. Most of the stuff marketed to snowboarders looks like toys made for 10-12 year olds rather than serious backcountry tools. K2 has a serious splitter on their program, who puts in a lot of hours in the mountains; the fact that Kyle has not been directly involved in the development of these is kind of telling in who they are for…

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The weight savings are laudable but this is neither revolutionary nor is it an entirely new "system." It's a clicker on a slider plate. There is no time savings beyond that gained by clicking instead of strapping. Three things to watch will be icing of the clicks, durability, and functionality of the boot for touring and riding.

I'd have liked to have seen a boot system that included touring-mode step-in, and touring-mode heel lock down, which the heel-click is uniquely suited to. K2 has the capacity to crack those nuts. Props to them for pushing things forward with these new designs.

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This system's success will be determined by the boot. It will need a walk mode, and need to be able to hold the foot securely to the board. I see the Boa system being a weakness already. I've blown out Boas on boots that have the help of straps holding the foot in. What happens when you are tightening the Boas even tighter because it is the only thing holding your foot down? Only time will tell. The rest of the system, while not very innovative, looks simple and functional.


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I also would not suggest that something which still relies on the Voile pucks is a big advance. We now have two systems which do not use the Voile pucks: Karakoram and Phantom. I cannot personally speak for Karakoram, but the Phantom system certainly out performs anything (from a riding perspective) which uses the Voile pucks.
When I first saw this topic, I was expecting a little more in terms of real innovation...

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This system's success will be determined by the boot. It will need a walk mode, and need to be able to hold the foot securely to the board. I see the Boa system being a weakness already. I've blown out Boas on boots that have the help of straps holding the foot in. What happens when you are tightening the Boas even tighter because it is the only thing holding your foot down? Only time will tell. The rest of the system, while not very innovative, looks simple and functional.





I've had 4 pairs of boots with Boa's. Never lasted more than 60 days, stretches after 30-40.

If these boots solely rely on that system it will be a fatal flaw.

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