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 Post subject: Re: Legalize the weed and I'll say thank heavens.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:39 pm 
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Let me preface this by saying I don't smoke personally. I did, however, write a term paper in favor of legalization at one point in college, but that's another story... and just finished reading my voter's pamphlet so figured I'd weigh in.

From what i understand, you wont be able to cultivate it, at least when it comes to the WA law. Just not sure about the way they've presented it in WA--sounds more like regulating and handing it over to big corporations (cigarette companies seem primed to do this with the decline in smokers) to cultivate, sell, tax, etc. And it will create a whole other ring of enforcement.

I agree that decriminalizing possession is a very important step as I'd rather see police spending their time dealing with drugs that are proven to be problematic to their users, but having anything but the regulated, store bought, mass-produced marijuana in your possession and/or sharing it is going to be illegal still. The marijuana industry as it stands, from backyard personal use to cartel-run large-scale ops, will still be illegal. Best to read the whole bill in your voter pamphlet before deciding.

Anyone else read the fine print? Correct me if I'm wrong?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:04 am 
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Still illegal under Federal law. You get enough states saying that they don't consider it illegal, we won't do anything and the Feds will give up and make it legal. They don't have the resources to go after users, growers, sellers without the states help. That is the primary reason Colorado has such a booming business. As long as you don't rub their face in it and follow state laws, they pretty much leave you alone.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:20 am 
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802smuggler wrote:
Weed makes me paranoid as shit. Last thing I want to do is drop into a hairy line. Thus I do not smoke weed anymore! :shock:
Yep, same here I get way paranoid :shock:
About the only time I'd even consider it these days is if I'm car camping (simple logistics) in the middle of the desert (flat, warm, no cops) with a shit load of beer and munchies :D

That said, I'm pro-legalization for most of the reasons already stated by others :doobie:

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 Post subject: Re: Legalize the weed and I'll say thank heavens.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:42 pm 
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If society ever experienced weed being legal (and used as it is/as widely as is today vs. the early 20th century) and then had that taken away - we would end this prohabition lickety split. Just like alcohol.

The is simply no good, concrete reason for marijuana in any form (home grown or where applicable "store bought") to be actively enforced as an illegal drug. I've thought this for a very long time and just wonder where the disconnect between logic and status quo became large enough for major issues like this to be passed over.

There's many larger issues in the world than this - but its absolutely one of the dumbest. I mean - this was dumb 50 years ago, but in my mind gets FAR worse when its still going on in a world where you need to go to a doctor/pharmacy to buy DRUGS for your children because they're hyper (THEY"RE CHILDREN!!! lol) buy DRUGS to get your dick hard buy DRUGS to lower cholestorol so you can keep eating like shit buy DRUGS to make you not depressed because you eat like shit and while you're waiting for those DRUGS in the pharmacy you're staring at liquor ads and cases upon cases of beer............but hey!!!! Don't you think for a second about smoking that grass there Johnny or we'll lock your ass up!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:04 pm 
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classicauto wrote:
If society ever experienced weed being legal (and used as it is/as widely as is today vs. the early 20th century) and then had that taken away - we would end this prohabition lickety split. Just like alcohol.

The is simply no good, concrete reason for marijuana in any form (home grown or where applicable "store bought") to be actively enforced as an illegal drug. I've thought this for a very long time and just wonder where the disconnect between logic and status quo became large enough for major issues like this to be passed over.

There's many larger issues in the world than this - but its absolutely one of the dumbest. I mean - this was dumb 50 years ago, but in my mind gets FAR worse when its still going on in a world where you need to go to a doctor/pharmacy to buy DRUGS for your children because they're hyper (THEY"RE CHILDREN!!! lol) buy DRUGS to get your dick hard buy DRUGS to lower cholestorol so you can keep eating like shit buy DRUGS to make you not depressed because you eat like shit and while you're waiting for those DRUGS in the pharmacy you're staring at liquor ads and cases upon cases of beer............but hey!!!! Don't you think for a second about smoking that grass there Johnny or we'll lock your ass up!

Get. Fucking. Real.



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 Post subject: Re: Legalize the weed and I'll say thank heavens.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:17 pm 
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http://nation.time.com/2012/11/02/recre ... zing-weed/

Time magazine write up on Washington States I-502.


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 Post subject: Re: Legalize the weed and I'll say thank heavens.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:09 am 
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I've read the majortiy of this thread. I don't personally smoke pot. I know a lot of people that do. My question is if legalization occurs in some capacity what does the production look like?

Can anybody obtain a business license to grow? Can it be done in a residential property? Does it have to be commerically zoned? Does a government agency like the FDA have to come by and inspect your operation? If you have a previous drug charge will you be able to obtain a grow license? I just think that since we live in corporate America that its not going to be a boom for small business grow operators. Maybe it will, I obviously have no clue.

Anyway, Mt Hood showed itself yesterday for the first time in a while. Looking good!


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 Post subject: Re: Legalize the weed and I'll say thank heavens.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:04 pm 
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imitationfunk wrote:
I've read the majortiy of this thread. I don't personally smoke pot. I know a lot of people that do. My question is if legalization occurs in some capacity what does the production look like?

Can anybody obtain a business license to grow? Can it be done in a residential property? Does it have to be commerically zoned? Does a government agency like the FDA have to come by and inspect your operation? If you have a previous drug charge will you be able to obtain a grow license? I just think that since we live in corporate America that its not going to be a boom for small business grow operators. Maybe it will, I obviously have no clue.

Anyway, Mt Hood showed itself yesterday for the first time in a while. Looking good!


In WA, I-502 reads like this: Anyone who wants to grow has to apply for a license. The application will cost $250 and the license will cost $1000 annually for each location. You have to be 1000 feet away from schools etc. Growers will be prohibited from having a financial interest in the retail end of things. The state gets 25% tax on the crop at every stage, grower, processing and retail. Projected to make half a billion $$$ in revenue for the state. The state will test for quality and destroy substandard product. The liquor control board will consider prior criminal records of applicants for a license.

So it looks like there is room for small operators to get involved. Now where they get their start up capital is anyone's guess. Considering that home growing and possession under 21 will still be illegal I don't see the black market going away.

I would like to see the shadier aspects of the black market take a hit from legalization though. A few years ago some bowhunters on public land near Yakima stumbled on to a grow guarded by Mexican citizens. They were shot at and chased off. That shit needs to stop on this here American soil.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:39 pm 
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powslash wrote:
imitationfunk wrote:
I've read the majortiy of this thread. I don't personally smoke pot. I know a lot of people that do. My question is if legalization occurs in some capacity what does the production look like?

Can anybody obtain a business license to grow? Can it be done in a residential property? Does it have to be commerically zoned? Does a government agency like the FDA have to come by and inspect your operation? If you have a previous drug charge will you be able to obtain a grow license? I just think that since we live in corporate America that its not going to be a boom for small business grow operators. Maybe it will, I obviously have no clue.

Anyway, Mt Hood showed itself yesterday for the first time in a while. Looking good!


In WA, I-502 reads like this: Anyone who wants to grow has to apply for a license. The application will cost $250 and the license will cost $1000 annually for each location. You have to be 1000 feet away from schools etc. Growers will be prohibited from having a financial interest in the retail end of things. The state gets 25% tax on the crop at every stage, grower, processing and retail. Projected to make half a billion $$$ in revenue for the state. The state will test for quality and destroy substandard product. The liquor control board will consider prior criminal records of applicants for a license.

So it looks like there is room for small operators to get involved. Now where they get their start up capital is anyone's guess. Considering that home growing and possession under 21 will still be illegal I don't see the black market going away.

I would like to see the shadier aspects of the black market take a hit from legalization though. A few years ago some bowhunters on public land near Yakima stumbled on to a grow guarded by Mexican citizens. They were shot at and chased off. That shit needs to stop on this here American soil.



This is why the bill failed in CA. None of the growers want to give the government a piece of the pie, especially when they have huge grow ops that the cops know about and do nothing. All they need now is a doctors recommendation, and they're legit. Humbolt is full of orchards that are completely legit. 100 plants per card, stacked like orange groves that harvest an average of 7lbs per plant. You think they want to give the government 25%? Hollywood at one point had more dispensaries than gas stations. Minimal taxes and fee's, and they sell it themselves.

I don't smoke anymore, but most of my friends do. I wouldn't mind it being legal, and think it should be. But you let the government control anything, and they'll end up fucking it up. Quality will probably take a hit, price could go up, and the next thing you know, it'll be all blown out like today's whiskey compared to the old school moonshine. :twocents:

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 Post subject: Re: Legalize the weed and I'll say thank heavens.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:59 am 
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Too bad Obama and his goons will continue to ignore state laws and keep raiding dispensaries. It's funny how when he got elected everyone thought he was gonna legalize weed and he turned out to be one of the most anti weed presidents ever. Weed will never be legal on a federal level. I mean, if HEMP (not weed) still isn't legal to grow in the U.S., then weed will never be. It's nice to see these initiatives on state ballots and seem worth voting for but remember, a vote for Romnutz or Obummer is a vote against weed and a vote for the continual murder of women and children.



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:03 am 
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BG is spot on with his observations. Especially on Joe Rogan. That guy is a good mind, but sometimes his Alpha ooga booga can be a bit much. Probably why he uses a float tank to chill his ass out.

Pedro, you have to understand....weed, and shrooms are simply a catalyst for inner exploration. I've wasted many years with this simple truth dancing in front of my face w/o realizing it. Reading books, and trying to understand the hippocratic paradigm we live in is the 1st step. To continue we must explore our inner consciousness via some type of meditation. Shamans have done this via Ayahuasca for centuries. This simple process is all over world spirituality. Mind happens before matter, we predicate our existence, and reality simply by our cognitive thought process. Every great mind in this world backs up this simple statement, and also some great comedic minds such as Bill Hicks, and Joe Rogan.

Then you have great artistic minds such as David Lynch via the David Lynch foundation that see the way of changing our paradigm via children and collective efforts through very practical and tangible ideas. (read the 100th monkey experiment, same basic premise) http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/

I go back to this same statement.... The chips are stacked against us, and have been for millennia. All one has to do is look into the origins of the pyramids(Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval, John Anthony West) to realize there is an evil in this world hell bent on obfuscation (psychopaths) that have pulled the strings on a global level for a very very long time. This isn't a conspiracy theory... there is plenty enough evidence to support this, but if want to 2 truths to start with. Look at the "war on drugs", and our prison system. My brother did almost 9 years for in a privatized prison for selling weed.

My solace at the end of the day is this... there is a global awakening taking place as we speak, and dark will NEVER prevail over light. The only way to fight this world full of evil people is through inner workings. The evil in this world can only distract you from this inner work, but they'll never own it. This they realize. And this IS why weed is illegal. It's a gateway drug alright. It's a gateway to enlightenment if we have the foresight to dig in deeper.

So, have a sit on the floor cross your legs, get comfortable, let your mind go blank, and explore fellow splitters explore..

Oh and puff puff pass, meng :thumpsup:

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Seattle Times hasn't called it yet, but I'm fuckin callin it. 502 is a go! There may be problems with it, but don't let good be the enemy of perfect. I think it's a huge step in the right direction.

Big ups to Colorado too. Now Oregon needs to come around...

Thanks to all the WA peeps who voted yes.

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