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 Post subject: Tent or Bivy
PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:07 am 
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Hi guys (and girls).

I'm really new to splitboarding, having only done two days so far on borrowed and hired equipment. (in australia)

Wan't to get into it a lot more next season but need to get together gear for day and overnight trips and was wondering what peoples opinions are on bivy's or tents when snow camping.

I've done many a camping trip with a bivy only (solo and with groups). I like it because it cuts down on wight and space. Also i've only used light weight summer ones that i don't believe would be appropriate in the snow.

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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:29 am 
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Go for a good 4 Season tent. Trust me!
Been out too may times when the weather comes in from nowhere and you get your ARSE KICKED!
Like this 4 day trip near Kosi
Started off Blue bird with just a chance of an increase in wind strength.
Ended with busted tent poles,digging out every two hours and finding shelter in a Hut for 3 days with 20 others!

Started nice
Digging a flat platform in late Spring! nice conditions T-Shirt only

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Ended up Digging out the tent every 2 hours

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The happy bunch in the Hut after 3 days of hellish conditions.

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Finally got the hell out off there

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Poor man buys twice!
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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
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Do many murders happen in them there huts?


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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
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Thats what spending 3 days in each others pockets does to some people!
I call it character building :lol:
You not down there this weekend?
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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
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Went friday night, 100klm+ winds at island bend, snow turned to slush on sat, came back to car and had a flat tyre, changed that, hands frozen solid, wet through, got changed and drove home lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
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BobGnarly wrote:
Went friday night, 100klm+ winds at island bend, snow turned to slush on sat, came back to car and had a flat tyre, changed that, hands frozen solid, wet through, got changed and drove home lol.

I think we have a second for getting a good 4 Season tent for the ozzie conditions!

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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
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Yep I'd say it's all about the conditions you expect and your willingness to suffer.

In California during a high pressure system you can get away with just sleeping out in your bag! It's usually warm enough and with a trench you are protected from any wind.

I have also used snow caves and they are awesome but they take a lot of time.

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I use a tarp style shelter for all my winter camping, the Black Diamond Beta Light. This is usually in good weather though, in California, and for a weekend trip . I have had it in some good snow storms but not in the alpine with wicked winds or anything. I did have to shovel every couple hours to keep the walls from creeping in on me.

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If I was to do more extended mountaineering trips into the Alpine more often I would probably really want, and need, that 4 season tent.

Until then I am much happier carrying a 19 oz shelter that sleeps me and my wife comfortably and fits our overnight gear. The venting can be tricky though!


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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
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:thumbsdown: bivy :thumbsup: mega mid

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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
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I just got a beta light. I think anything that lets you dig down as far as you want will be good for protecting you from the weather.

Although like other have said it really depends on the conditions of where you are going.

Personally, I'd rather carry a super light shelter, and if the weather is worse than expected you can always snow cave it.

Also, tarp style shelters are lighter and much cheaper than bivvies or 4 season tents.

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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:05 pm 
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Jefe009 wrote:
I just got a beta light. I think anything that lets you dig down as far as you want will be good for protecting you from the weather.
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How do you rock that with the Beta? I have contemplated a number of different strategies for digging while leaving snow columns for where the poles go.. And also thought about using the loops outside and running a line when I'm around trees.

Dug in sleeping ledges? Stairway in? Voile strap two pairs of poles for super long supports?

With snow you're almost limited to only your creativity and I guess mine sucks when thinking about the Beta. Any photos of an especially sweet set up? Thanks!."

Reminds me of the part in Deeper where Travis Rice goes, "Island kitchens are just so hot right now" Cracks me up!


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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
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I'm for Bivy. I think a waterproof bivy sack is essential in any winter overniter.

If I'm below tree line, I rock a tarp and hammock. Fortified with snow if needed. Off the ground, in a sack, on a pad, floating in a hammock. I've weathered many condtions with this set up.

Above tree line. It's dependent upon condtions. Wind breaks, pits, combinations w/ tarp, poles, and rope. If it's really nasty outside, you can't beat a snow cave. No wind, a constant 32 deg, is comforting.

Army surplus bivy sack $40
8' x 10' tarp $10
parachute hammock $20

It's a pretty cheap and lightweight way to roll. :guinness:


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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
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aliasptr wrote:
Jefe009 wrote:
I just got a beta light. I think anything that lets you dig down as far as you want will be good for protecting you from the weather.
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How do you rock that with the Beta? I have contemplated a number of different strategies for digging while leaving snow columns for where the poles go.. And also thought about using the loops outside and running a line when I'm around trees.

Dug in sleeping ledges? Stairway in? Voile strap two pairs of poles for super long supports?

With snow you're almost limited to only your creativity and I guess mine sucks when thinking about the Beta. Any photos of an especially sweet set up? Thanks!."

Reminds me of the part in Deeper where Travis Rice goes, "Island kitchens are just so hot right now" Cracks me up!


I just got it on sale over the summer and haven't used it yet. I did a bunch of overnights last season (in a tent) and never once slept above treeline. So my thinking is that I can just string a paracord super taut between trees and hold up the middle that way. In a pinch or without good trees I guess I can rock the ski pole, although finding a way to extend the pole through snow columns or two poles connected sounds good...

In WA and OR we have trees to around 6-7k feet, and I'm not aware of any huge advantage to sleeping out above that, for the type of tours my crew does anyway.

I did a bunch of reading on forums about various tarps, diy solutions, etc. and it seems like most people think the key to getting a good setup with the beta light (or similar tarp) is to spend several hours doing the seam sealing and guy it out really tight when you're using it. Plus snow walls around the outside perimiter if it's windy.

Of course I'll try out some different configs and take a bunch of photos when I'm out in the field this season. Some of the different things I'm planning on trying out...

Stairway in
Pee corner
Kitchen shelf with water making station
'Fridge' dug into a wall
Intentional branches left sticking out of the interior walls to hang things on

I got a lot of good ideas from this book. And the illustrations are pretty hilarious.

http://www.amazon.com/Allen-Really-Back ... 0762745851

I'm super lazy so I'm all about easy solutions. I'll post photos and beta on what I find works well, or not... If I can get the wife to sleep in this thing one night I'll consider the whole thing a success! :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Tent or Bivy
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:55 am 
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Bivys suck for anything other than emergencies. I've used them a fair amount and I always end up with it wrapped around my face and doing my best not to panic and get all claustrophobic. Seriously, I've rarely had a good full nights sleep in a bivy.

My Mega Mid however, is the shit. So much room in there, you can dig it out, set it up with poles, or tear a branch off a tree or hang it from a tree. It's been pelted with 4 inches of hail and stood up like a champ. I really like the Mid and it's smaller and lighter than most bivys. I like the beta mid too but there's less room and harder to dig out underneath because you have to extend two poles.


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