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 Post subject: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:37 am 
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Greetings. I am in the market for a new splitboard. I'm 6'5" #215 lbs muscular guy. I have an old Voile Mt.Gun 171 that has worked fine over the years. I'm looking for a do-everything board. Powder, couloirs, steeps, trees and general backcountry conditions - not always powder.

I use AT boots with the Voile binding kit for those - works great as if there is any climbing/scrambling involved - AT boots work better than soft boots.

I think I'd like to stay over 170cm. The Venture Storm 171 or Oden 174 look interesting - anyone have any experience w/ those? Any other larger/heavier riders out there with an all-mountain backcountry board suggestion? I've not seen a lot of splitboards over 170

Also - in Rocky Mt Nat Park a couple of weekends ago - I saw a guy with what looked like Dynafit front bindings on his splitboard skinning uphill. I believe they were permanently mounted and used just for skinning up. He must have had an AT binding setup for going down. Does anyone have any experience w/ this? I did search - but didn't find anything.

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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:01 pm 
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I have no experience with 170+ boards. But I know Venture is a durable solid board and I would recommend it to anyone. Someone will comment on large boards (queue taylor). I'm a smaller guy, so I'll stick to bindings since I'm running hardboots. There is exhausting amount of information about splitboard bindings for hardboots on this forum. I bet if you were in RMNP, you saw someone on Phantoms, considering John is in evergreen making them.

Here is the Phantoms website
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Phantom-Splitboard-Bindings/363651653710150

Heres a review (by me)
http://splitboard.com/talk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16089

Also, what people are doing to their boots
http://splitboard.com/talk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16393

There are other companies out there making bindings
Firstlight
http://splitboard.com/talk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16094&p=121989&hilit=hardboot#p121989

Also, spark is coming into the game next year it looks. Not much more information than that. Will be mounted on existing pucks.

Other options too like Voile, but general consensus is they aren't that great. Never been on others, just Phantoms. I like them.

And if you want to try anything out, come out to Silverton Splitfest this year on April 10-14th! We'll have demos from Venture, Chimera, Voile, Spark, and Phantom. Details here.
https://www.facebook.com/SilvertonSplitfest


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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:03 pm 
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I can help with at least a few of your questions...

Just put in 2 days on my new Odin + hardboots. Very stiff board, but the tapered shape helps with initiating turns. Just like my last Venture, the faster you go, the more stable it feels. I feel like I need to work a little harder on this board than my other split (Arbor).

The guy you saw was likely using Dynafit toepieces (available from Spark) and Phantoms, or some other HB binding. Highly recommend this setup, that's what I use. I think you'd like it a lot compared to the Mtn Plates/pucks. You can get Quiver Killer inserts installed in your board to mount Dynafit toepieces, or Spark or Phantom sell adapters for the toepieces, it just adds weight and a bunch more screws...

Hope this bit of info helps. Search Phantom for more info on those, incredible bindings!

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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:33 pm 
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Yeah I have a Storm 170 and spent some time on a Odin 173. The Odin, in that length, is a gnarly gnarly board. At #215 you can probably muscle it around. Maybe. If that's your thing. It takes a lot more work than the Storm in variable conditions. I find the Storm to be more forgiving and fun. Highly recommend. Could go on longer comparing the two...fire away if you have more ?'s.


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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:40 pm 
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Awesome guys - thanks for that info (and apologies for not finding it here).

I'm definitely going to look into that setup on a new board.

Copy on the Storm being easier - I think I'd prefer 'easy' vs 'muscling' :)

thanks again


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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:17 pm 
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On the storm vs odin, I agree with what was said above. The Odin can be work to ride, but is best at high speeds, and in big bowls. The storm is more "all around" and easier to maneuver. Still has a pretty massive top speed too.

Just make sure you stick in your foot sizing range at 27 cm (12-14 foot) or 26cm (10-12). Ventures can be tough to manuever edge to edge, so right width is key. Looks like the Storm is 171 or 170 sizing, depending on width.


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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:18 pm 
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Also, just checked, and Neversummer makes a summit 172, but it is a 25.6 waist, which seems pretty narrow for a board that big.


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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:29 pm 
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Yo Body. send me an email if you want to come by the house and see some Phantoms in person. I'm up in Evergreen/Conifer area. I make them here locally in Denver. Always fun to chat with folks. Might have a pair to demo. I've got a few people your height and weight riding Phantoms so not worried there. I'd say pick up the biggest storm and you'll be loving life. Can't find a better built split and the Storm is my favor of the Venture line up.

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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:37 pm 
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super info - thanks much everyone.

Mr. Phantom - email sent - thanks for reaching out.


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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:16 pm 
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I ride very similar to what you are after
I'm 220 (100kg) 6ft size 10

Some of my rides include
180 Prior Spearhead
178 Voile Swallowtail
170 venture Zephyr
171 Burton Cascade

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I really love the Burton and because you need to make adaptors for the dynafit, the extra weight is no issue.

With the larger boards the weight is more so remember that.
Perhaps a Carbon Prior?
Furberg?

Bindings.......... I would have said try mine, but now that spark have a HB option I'd go with that or the Phantoms

These are not for sale now due to the above release

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You can buy these now! $200
http://www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au/ ... dings.html

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Last of all cant on the rear leg always helps with the harboot setup
2.5 and 5 are my options or Voile do a 3 deg kit

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Some reference images and information
http://www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au/rrr.html
http://www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au/ ... dings.html
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13451&hilit=FIRSTLIGHT+HARDBOOT
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16094&hilit=FIRSTLIGHT+HARDBOOT

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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:30 pm 
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Thx SG - que taken. :thumbsup:

I'm a big guy (6'4", 225, size 12) who likes a board that supports me during high speed pow turns (no nose dive or fold) and floats and maneuvers at slower speeds.

Bear in mind I like to make fast large radius turns, and a board's ability to thus hold is a primary criteria for me (which changes things).

Assuming a waist of 27 and shovel in the low 30s I have found a lower length threshold generally in the mid or upper 170s before physics dictate failure. I prefer bigger, but there's of course a weight cost splitting. (See quiver lengths below). I have an old race board that is shorter for corn, but it's effective edge is quite long.

I really like the post-2009/10 181/27 Storm - dependable at speed, enough surface in the right places to float and maneuver at slower speeds. IMO it's the best big-boy board option, at least among production decks. Donek is also a great option in that you can customize specs to suit preferences, but probably only if you have a strong sense of how design translates into ride.

My advice is to try some bigger decks--give them a few days in soft snow conditions so that you adjust--before making up your mind. (I know that's easier said than done, but...)

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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:53 pm 
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Taylor - thanks for the feedback. I'm looking for a do-everything board - and now leaning toward the 270 171 Storm. Riding different types before buying is likely not going to happen - but would of course be great.

firstlight - holy quiver of splitboards Batman! Do you work at a shop or have a connection in the industry? (I hope :)) 5 pr of dynafit fronts - wow. I see that Spark has them for $180 (presume for the pr). I see that a couple of manufacturers have split-tail boards now - it looks like those are mainly pow boards and I'm only going to go with just one. Copy on that other binding for AT boots. Looks like a beefed up version of the Voile one.

I 'preciate the feedback


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 Post subject: Re: new split for 200+ lb rider question (and dynafit?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:53 pm 
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Sorry - should have asked this question earlier..

Any thoughts about a 181 vs. 171? I've never ridden a 180 (have an Arbor a-frame 171 area board). 6'5 #215 with 28 AT boots.

Would 10cm make the board turn that much slower for trees/rocks/narrow slots?

Would 10cm make that much of a better floating board?

Thinking I'd be fine w/ the 171 as I don't know what I've never had [w/ a longer board.. but if I wouldn't notice it turning slower - maybe it'd be better..]

*** I just found the 2013/14 27 171 online for $495 shipped - that may answer all questions - lol

thanks again


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