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 Post subject: Base? Wax?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:10 am 
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What is the base of a Jones board (mountain twin) made out of?
I ask the question because I have never seen a base like this before and the Jones website doesn't offer much help.

New board 4 days of riding.
First wax when I got it, then a second wax job after 3 days, because the board slowed down a lot.

After today's ride on the second wax job (Awesome spring day in Switzerland, fresh snow, slush and some hard) the base looks to be dry and the wax removed. Is this what happens?

Do I need to wax more often than other boards?

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 Post subject: Re: Base? Wax?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:16 am 
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I'd assume that this phenomenon is rather snow conditions related than board/base related.

Last weekend my Prior board's base dried out after only two descents, due to the warm/wet snow conditions.
In cold winter I only wax it after 15-20 descents.


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 Post subject: Re: Base? Wax?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:26 am 
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FloImSchnee wrote:
I'd assume that this phenomenon is rather snow conditions related than board/base related.

Last weekend my Prior board's base dried out after only two descents, due to the warm/wet snow conditions.
In cold winter I only wax it after 15-20 descents.


This sounds about right.

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 Post subject: Re: Base? Wax?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:31 pm 
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In warmer weather wax is not as important. But getting structure in the base is. Think of it as making trails for the water to escape.


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 Post subject: Re: Base? Wax?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:54 am 
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I have a jones (solution) and I have examined a few I have seen at trailheads and in shops and they seem to be delivered with the bases really dry, mine included. :nononno: :thumbsdown:

This made the board a bit slow, waxing didn't really help and it wasn't until I took it to a competent board shop that fixed it. I'm not sure what they did, but it was more than a wax, but less than a "structure".

I would almost guarantee this is the same issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Base? Wax?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:06 am 
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Method wrote:
This made the board a bit slow, waxing didn't really help...

Did you use hot wax or liquid wax?


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 Post subject: Re: Base? Wax?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:54 pm 
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FloImSchnee wrote:
Method wrote:
This made the board a bit slow, waxing didn't really help...

Did you use hot wax or liquid wax?




Hot wax. I had it done about 3 times.


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 Post subject: Re: Base? Wax?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:16 pm 
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FloImSchnee wrote:
Last weekend my Prior board's base dried out after only two descents, due to the warm/wet snow conditions.
In cold winter I only wax it after 15-20 descents.

provotrout wrote:
This sounds about right.

Actually, that's backwards. Cold snow is more abrasive and will erode wax faster than warm snow, especially if it has metamorphosed into rounds.

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 Post subject: Re: Base? Wax?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:22 am 
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Bjørgvin wrote:
In warmer weather wax is not as important. But getting structure in the base is. Think of it as making trails for the water to escape.
I use a nylon brush after hotwaxing to recover the base's structure.

Afaik a fine structure would be good in cold temperatures, and a rough structure in warm temperatures.
Can one create this structure at home (with a steel brush?) or would you need to bring it to a shop to have it created by a machine?


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 Post subject: Re: Base? Wax?
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 11:05 am 
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Hey thanks for the replies.

Update: 1 hot wax (DIY) job lasted about 3 days of spring conditions. After the second day the base was looking a feeling dry but not completely dry. On the second day the board was perfect in fresh snow but slow and sluggish in the melting snow lower down the mountain.

The base seems to be much stronger than normal boards. I hit a few hidden rocks and very little damage done. I now from experiences that a similar rock hit put gouges in the base of my normal board.

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