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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:26 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:13 pm 
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Following the creation of your boards has made for an enjoyable thread. The Float a lot/furberg shape looked great, but your last post has me scratching my head a little.

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Great in the deep POW but no good on the harder stuff
We went back down to about 9M


Early on you stated "These are experimental boards for powder only!"

Are you scrapping all future long radius designs?

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:30 pm 
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If you want to make a board harder to ride make it wide and give it a long radius.
As discovered by me.


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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:33 pm 
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BobGnarly wrote:
If you want to make a board harder to ride make it wide and give it a long radius.
As discovered by me.


Not sure what long radius board you rode Bob? I have 4 partners who have all switched to riding furbergs including two guides, and all are remarking at how easy the board is to ride, with 20 m on the 173s and 18 m on the 167s respectively.
I have a 173 DIY split and it is the easiest riding board I have been on in years.

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:48 pm 
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I just made 5 boards with radii ranging from 12m to 18m and took them to japan for testing. I have a pretty good handle on the effects of sidecut radius now I feel and long radii sucks. I thought it would be awesome but it wasnt so its back to narrow waist and short radii for me.

Others my disagree, thats fine but if Im building a board for a mate to take to japan I will make it the best I can and with all the experience I have mustered. Hence changing adams shape to a shorter radius with a narrower waist. When it rides great he will be happy unlike me with my quiver of wide long radii boards that will never be ridden again lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:42 pm 
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Looks like a floaty, fun, and well-made deck for sure.

But I was wondering if the long scr was dropped; it looked curvy. Adam, did you try to fit a rocker profile to the early taper and long scr such that the board would not rely primarily on sidecut for its turning geometry?

I remain in the hunt for a snowboard version of these (in the mid 180s):

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A la Furberg, there remains vast room for design evolution that reconciles early taper, long scr shapes with rocker profiles to yield pow float, quick maneuverability, and speed- and steep-stability.

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:54 pm 
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Something got lost in translation. If I was going to Japan, to JaPow, if you will, I would be baking an 18m board, :bananas: hammock, and a split version of the first.

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:00 pm 
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Time, the ability to test designs and the lack of real snow are our issues in Australia.
I'd love to live on snow and make boards but the reality is that doesn't put food on the family table!
Any board can be made, the reality is that most peoples personal preferences and what is available on the market don't often align.

I built this board with a lot of help and feedback from BobGnarly, who spends months in Japan riding his own creations, I'm limited with time outside Australia so I went with his recommendation. If time permitted it would have been nice to make both boards and test them side by side.
getting molds and templates to line up for one board is a time consuming task, as well as $$$$$ so you have to make some compromises here and there

I'd happily come over to the US and play in a large board manufactures workshop and make prototypes for weeks but its never going to happen.

There is no real option other than to make your own.
I'll ride my first prototype and who know it may well suck too!

Proof will be in the testing.

Thanks for the feedback and ill post more on the board ASAP

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:02 pm 
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permnation
I've a Split Hammock and a Venture Euphoria split but the other issue is weight restrictions on the plane!
Hard to get all the gear in a 20kg limit! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:07 pm 
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Yeah, Adam, I know all that. I appreciate you posting your shaping process here. It's cool. (Of course, my motives for pushing design concepts on these forums are broad in reach.)

Have a great time in Japan!

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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:35 pm 
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permnation wrote:
Something got lost in translation. If I was going to Japan, to JaPow, if you will, I would be baking an 18m board, :bananas: hammock, and a split version of the first.

Thats was my thinking too, but when you build 5 decks, get to japan and start riding them only to find you just took a step backwards in board design its not a great feeling. Its a blow to your ego for sure.

The first lot of boards I made were incredible with 256mm waist and 8.7m sidecut.
The second lot sucked with wider waists and longer radii. The effects of these changes are blindingly obvious to me and have steered me in this direction. You never know how far you should push something till you go to far, and thats what happened.


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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:49 pm 
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Nice work guys,well done.
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 Post subject: Re: Firstlight Splits
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:03 pm 
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BobGnarly wrote:
permnation wrote:
Something got lost in translation. If I was going to Japan, to JaPow, if you will, I would be baking an 18m board, :bananas: hammock, and a split version of the first.

Thats was my thinking too, but when you build 5 decks, get to japan and start riding them only to find you just took a step backwards in board design its not a great feeling. Its a blow to your ego for sure.

The first lot of boards I made were incredible with 256mm waist and 8.7m sidecut.
The second lot sucked with wider waists and longer radii. The effects of these changes are blindingly obvious to me and have steered me in this direction. You never know how far you should push something till you go to far, and thats what happened.


Bob: when you note wide waists along with the straighter sidecut, I am interested in how wide you went. My experience has shown that of course you need a wider waist when you go from 9 m to 20 m, but of course neither do you want to go too wide as then you lose your quickness. With my size 28/10.5 boots, the furberg 173 with a 20 m radius and 27 cm waist is perfect, and the board width at the boot positions is the same as my Venture Storm 166x26 (very similar taper to both boards). I find the furberg to be one of the most easy to ride boards I have ever been on. On the other hand, I test rode a Chimera Dum Dum, with a 18 m radius, and a wider 27.5 cm waist, and it just was not maneuverable enough, despite being only a 160! Also, the furberg has a subtle rocker between the feet. I have talked to some designers who get all weird about the tip and tail ending up a little narrower than on a traditional 8-9 m radius board, so they want to widen a long radius board even more, but the boards I have ridden which work really well are those which keep the width the same at the bindings, allow the waist to be a bit wider, and the tip and tail to be a little narrower, with the "average" width being about the same, the edge to edge response and boot leverage over the board remains the same. The performance is due to the balance between all the design elements (duh, and of course you realize this), but my bottom line point is that long radius does not have to be hard to ride at all.

Taylor, right with ya on the DPS stuff, I know skiers who love theirs. furberg is it, but of course you need a bigger one...

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