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 Post subject: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:41 am 
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BD is recalling some 2010 avalungs because of hose cracking - a list of models and PO#'s is here - http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en ... ls#avalung

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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:31 am 
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Dreaded quality fade hits BD.

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/arti ... cleid=1776

"One of the problems facing China is that manufacturers continue to engage in a practice I call "quality fade." This is the deliberate and secret habit of widening profit margins through a reduction in the quality of materials. Importers usually never notice what's happening; downward changes are subtle but progressive. The initial production sample is fine, but with each successive production run, a bit more of the necessary inputs are missing."


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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:41 pm 
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Zee wrote:
Dreaded quality fade hits BD.

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/arti ... cleid=1776

"One of the problems facing China is that manufacturers continue to engage in a practice I call "quality fade." This is the deliberate and secret habit of widening profit margins through a reduction in the quality of materials. Importers usually never notice what's happening; downward changes are subtle but progressive. The initial production sample is fine, but with each successive production run, a bit more of the necessary inputs are missing."


Nice rant, but my Covert says "Made in the Philippines"... Damn Pilipino slackasses.... Oh wait, mine wasn't on the recall list. :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:52 pm 
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black diamond changed suppliers(you can guess the reason) for the 2010 line of packs. cold temperatures cause the hoses to crack. seems like a good idea for a winter product :roll:

while the packs may be stiched together in other places, i think the plastics used in the avalung have always come from china. i might be wrong on that though. anyway my avalung is from 2008 and still in the box so i guess i'm safe.

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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:41 am 
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Mate,

These guys work their ass off to give you the gear you're wearing. These Filo brothers fought alongside you guys so dont' give em slack. They are hard working buggers. Products gets recalled now and then, it seems BD did the right thing to inform and take responsibility.

I hope no one got caught in a slide with defective gear.

R

Unruly Baker wrote:
Zee wrote:
Dreaded quality fade hits BD.

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/arti ... cleid=1776

"One of the problems facing China is that manufacturers continue to engage in a practice I call "quality fade." This is the deliberate and secret habit of widening profit margins through a reduction in the quality of materials. Importers usually never notice what's happening; downward changes are subtle but progressive. The initial production sample is fine, but with each successive production run, a bit more of the necessary inputs are missing."


Nice rant, but my Covert says "Made in the Philippines"... Damn Pilipino slackasses.... Oh wait, mine wasn't on the recall list. :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:00 am 
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Unruly Baker wrote:
Zee wrote:
Dreaded quality fade hits BD.

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/arti ... cleid=1776

"One of the problems facing China is that manufacturers continue to engage in a practice I call "quality fade." This is the deliberate and secret habit of widening profit margins through a reduction in the quality of materials. Importers usually never notice what's happening; downward changes are subtle but progressive. The initial production sample is fine, but with each successive production run, a bit more of the necessary inputs are missing."


Nice rant, but my Covert says "Made in the Philippines"... Damn Pilipino slackasses.... Oh wait, mine wasn't on the recall list. :clap:


They might still be made in the Philippines... I just assumed it was made in China, because a) everyone is outsourcing to China and b) stuff made in China is prone to more problems.


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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:19 pm 
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Anybody else have a RN# but not a PO#?

I guess mine is ok? i checked out the hose and it has no visible cracks and works well.


just checking

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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:20 pm 
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Mine not on the recall list but hisses like crazy when I breathe through it and does not feel right from an airflow standpoint. Feels like there's a roach stuck in there somewhere. Just waiting for the 'schlurp' sound and ending having something nasty in my mouth. When I asked BD about that they told me the Darth Vader sound was normal. I told them mine was more like Darth Vader after a shot of helium but they did not reply after that... Also the Largest size is tight around my chest. Fed-up, it stays in the box now.


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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:41 am 
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Um... Not sure how you'd get anything in your mouth.

You're supposed to be exhaling not inhaling.

sorry if i'm reading it wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:00 pm 
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Hi jlag,

no worries, actually you make an interesting point since I have never used it under real conditions. I suppose that althought to be compliant with regulations you're supposed to use it, nobody wears the nose clip. So as a result I assume that once you get caught in a slide, you put the tube in your mouth and pray for the best. I guess it means you'll have your nose/ears full of snow and will only be able to inhale and exhale via the Avalung. Does it mean that it works only if you exhale through it and you inhale through your nose which may reduce the effective probability of the system being useful if you can't inhale through your nose, or you can both inhale & exhale via the tube? Since it's been back in its box for a while I'll have to check that next time I get around to my 'mountain' apt.


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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:09 am 
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Inhaling and exhaling tend to work together in breathing. The idea behind the avalung is that it intakes air from one area and exhausts it in another via some one-way valving so you don't breath your own CO2 back in. If you ever need to use it, lock your teeth and lips onto the mouthpiece and breath in and out through it. Don't worry about the nose clip - breathing in and out through your mouth when your face is mashed into the snow is very intuitive. And some resistance and bagpipe noise is indeed normal and is the last thing you will worry about if you are buried. And if your pack is called out in the recall, replace it. Just because the hose hasn't cracked doesn't mean it won't.
And regarding quality fade - BD told me that they were forced to switch tubing suppliers and the new supplier was not meeting specs. Still a bad thing that someone should get a beating for, but not the conspiracy to make a few pennies more by risking our lives that some seem to believe.


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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:01 am 
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I wish they had made the Covert a bit more board specific wrt the carry straps. Just bust through mine and not really sure how to replace. Should have had some reinforcement where the edges rub in carry mode, esp since split carry is heavier than regular board carry. 2008 model so I'm OK I suppose.


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 Post subject: Re: Avalung Recall
PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:07 pm 
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thanks for the clarification paulster. I guess we all love conspiracy theories, but these guys know that the quality of their products is what drives sales and reputation in the long-term so I doubt they would ever want to mess with that. Given where BD comes from and the whole Chouinard experience, it makes it even more unlikely that they would mess around with quality.


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