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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:41 am 
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wasatch surf wrote:
i'm a lot more excited about the dual height climbing wires than i am the binding.



I gotta agree with wasatch surf. The dual climbing heel is the real innovative product here. Skiers have had them for years, but not splitboarders. Nice work Voile!!!


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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:58 am 
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Your kidding me right? A patent on splitboards, and millions of dollars of backing.

And, that's the product :scratch: :lol: .... The binding looks like it would snap in a strong breeze.

Compare it to the fuse... look how much more solid the base plate is.

Keep in mind this is my opinion. :doobie:

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:41 am 
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Will and Spark R&D invented a great product that revolutionized splitboarding. Voile, credited with making split boarding available to the masses is continuing to expand their splitboard product line. I for one appreciate both companies for doing what they have and will do for the sport.

Who will be the first to do a side-by-side review of the Fuse and the Light Rail? Voile has certainly borrowed heavily from the design Spark came out with a couple years earlier. Now onto v2 of his product Will has the advantage of having seen years of use on his plates and was able to put that knowledge into the Fuse. Voile has advantages on their side as well. They were able to borrow from Spark R&D's design, have more years of ski and snowboard manufacturing knowledge, and have a larger design team (presumably).

Without some objective data to work with regarding the Light Rail we can only speculate. Personally I'm most interested in the holes they've cut in the base of their binder. It will reduce ice build-up, makes it lighter, but could potentially be weaker.

Will? Voile? When will you be sending a set of binders to a non-partisan third party for a head to head? P.S. please make this person someone we respect. Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:55 am 
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Cool.... props for giving us a few more options for 2010. :thumpsup:
*Improved tour bracket
*Improved slider
*Dual height climbing wires
*Lighter quick releasable binder with with improved mount system and retrofit to slider track option.

I'm sure I'm leaving some folks out (likely the myriad rocker boards), but having looked over the non-split board vendors wares this season it looks like Venture, Voile, Spark, and Never Summer are the only ones who actually have anything new on offer.

Props to Voile and everyone else in the splitboard game and sorry about all the tough love Dave :wink: It's all about the squeaky wheel ya know.


BTW....I really like those rails. Would like to get my hands on a set of those and some Catek toe and heel pieces to tinker with.

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:09 am 
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Marketing hype knows no boundaries, whether it's cell phones or splitboard bindings.

I say kudos to Voile for giving us more options. More players in the market will mean more innovation and ultimately a better product.

At the same time, I have some immediate reservations about this binding just from looking at the pictures. I'll hold off on sharing them till I can see a pair in person as they might be unfounded. But based on what I've seen so far, the Sparks still look head and shoulders better. Time will tell.

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:14 am 
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It's nice having a couple of binder options now. I think I am going to stick with Will when I make the plunge. Hopefully come January.

The dual touring brackets are huge. I'll probably pre order a pair this week.

Now I really wish we could get skins with a manufactured tail clip. Are you listening to me Voile?


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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:31 am 
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It's kinda like when Burton came out with the Kevlar binding... snap crackle pop. In my eyes being 6'1 195 of hunka munka Polacko.... I will spare the light weight for solid bindings. To me it's night and day. Keep in mind I've never ridden the Fuse, and hated the Voile rail for years (Hence why I put up with the well intended Burton interface) simply because it's flush to the board. This is still what Voile is missing you still have wiggle room between the plate and the board. Space = flex = snap!

I know solid when I see it, and the Fuse looks like it will perform and then some.

I'm in no way wanting to get anybody pissed.... Everybody likes what they like. I'm always going to try to support the mom/pop shop. I just think Voile was wrong in how hard core they borrowed Spark R&D's idea w/o giving them some type of restitution. Hell they held everyone else to the fire for their patent.

stoked to buy my Fuses!!!

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:39 am 
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SPLITRIPPIN wrote:
I just think Voile was wrong in how hard core they borrowed Spark R&D's idea w/o giving them some type of restitution. Hell they held everyone else to the fire for their patent.


From what i understand, Will has an agreement w/voile to make his products.

Therefore, Voile "lets him" and can borrow whatever they want...i could be wrong though.

And im still going Fuse for the win.

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:46 am 
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wasatch surf wrote:
i'm a lot more excited about the dual height climbing wires than i am the binding.


+1

Props to Voile for coming out with a new binding and giving us all more options. More options = good for all of us. I don't see tons of differences between the setups, and have ridden the Sparks for a couple of years now. They work perfectly, so when I get another set it, I'll order the Fuses. :twocents:

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:01 am 
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Binding does look cool. Definitely good to see new options coming out. As for the dual height climbing wires, its about time Voile did this. The G3 dual fits BTW for those who didn't know. I have them on my DIY. The only issue with the G3 ones is that you have to have one them lifted when in solid mode as i gets in the way of the binding. Hopefully the voile ones aren't the same way.


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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:07 am 
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I kinda like them. But I think ill have to put my hands on both before I make any decisions.

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:19 am 
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samh wrote:
Will? Voile? When will you be sending a set of binders to a non-partisan third party for a head to head? P.S. please make this person someone we respect. Thank you.


I don't need a pair or a set - Voile with a left one, Spark with a right one - I'll report back when the first one breaks!

Interesting design - it's actually just as low as the fuse, but doesn't look like it due to the design. Modular makes sense in the event that something breaks - you can presumably buy just a rail, or two or just the baseplate.

The avi release could be added to any binding out there, as long as you have some string and a drill. Heck, you might not even need the drill....

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:25 am 
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What about crampons? Looks like its not any easier to put crampons on with the new Voile bindings, which one thing about the sparks that is a big plus.


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