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 Post subject: are the new burton splits up to snuff?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:27 am 
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lots of talk on the mojo's and NS customs....how about the burtons?

They makin' folks happy?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:59 am 
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I've been happy with mine. There are a few pics of it in action here.
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In my opinion you can always count on a nice ride, good board tech, and good quality with the Burton splits. The shape is among the best for an all mountain-go anywhere-do anything split as well.

There have been reports of tip clips coming undone this year but I haven't experienced any issues with my production model at all.


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 Post subject: Re: are the new burton splits up to snuff?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:07 am 
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Tap wrote:
They makin' folks happy?


they do! :D

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:55 am 
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I just got a new 168 last night. I was very plaesed with the way my 2005 s-165 rides and although I would love to have a Mojo I went with Burton agin mostly because of price. I have all the Voile hardware and skins so I was in the market for a deck only. I was able to get one at Mountaingear.com for 30 % off and got it out the door for 419.00 US which is a steal for a new split.
I will be test driving it at scrubfest so I will write up a review after I get back...but as BCR stated it rides well in all conditions from crud to powder without much effort. And I havent seen any problems with my old one other than it was the old interface style. I converted it to Voile two seasons ago so the new one shouldnt have any issues.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:41 pm 
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Anyone who knows me knows that I have been a diehard Burton fan forever. My old Burton 165S was great. But, I have to say I'm starting to wonder a bit with the newer Burtons. The quality control just doesn't seem to be quite up there like it has been with all my previous Burton expriences.

I just picked up a 168S. The split hooks were not perfectly aligned, and the tail clip just slightly pushes the board halves apart. I posted about it here.

Now those particular issues may not end up making a huge difference in performance once it's assembled and the bindings are holding it all in place, I'm not sure. Haven't gotten that far yet. But it does make me wonder. Also, I compared it to SteveP's Prior and Mojo, and on both of those the split hooks and tip clips align perfectly. Then I went into REI, and they had 2 new Priors and 2 new Mojos, and same story there, perfect alignment. Then I went next door to a board shop that happened to have 2 Burton splits, and... they both had similar not-perfectly-aligned split hooks.

Aside from that, the board construction looks bomber otherwise.

On a side note, I called Burton about this issue and they said to send the board in. I did, and then got a call from their service department. The guy was actually pretty cool, but the bottom line was that they felt this was within normal tolerances for them.

bcrider wrote:
In my opinion you can always count on a nice ride, good board tech, and good quality with the Burton splits. The shape is among the best for an all mountain-go anywhere-do anything split as well.

In the past I'd agree 100% with this, and even now I'd agree with everthing except the quality part, just from the standpoint of quality control on the Voile hardware mounting. It seems like it's hit or miss, some people get boards that are perfect, others don't. I'd also add that they are a very good deal compared to other splits. But this is the first time I've been disappointed with Burton quality since I started riding.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:55 pm 
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Over the course of the last week I rode mine almost every day and it ripped in all kinds of conditions from wind slab to deep pow. I've noticed that probably 95% of the board being held together is the bindings (SparkR&D, unbelievable). Do the hooks even do that much?

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BastrdSonOfElvis wrote:
Over the course of the last week I rode mine almost every day and it ripped in all kinds of conditions from wind slab to deep pow. I've noticed that probably 95% of the board being held together is the bindings (SparkR&D, unbelievable). Do the hooks even do that much?


I've asked myself the same question. It seems to me the boards' one-piece rigidity/one-piece "feel" is dependent on 1) The slider plate 95%, 2) the chinese hooks 4% and 3) the tailclips 1%. (obviously I made these percentages up!)

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I think that as long as you are in deep enough snow that there is at least some snow pressure on both board halves when turning, the split hooks and tip/tail clips are less important. But as soon as you get onto hard snow, they become very important, the split hooks probably being more important.

Try it out in the living room. Put the board together with the split hooks swiveled out of the way, and the tip/tail clips unhooked. If you just rock your weight front to back, it should feel pretty normal, because both halves of the board are getting pressured more or less evenly. But then try simulating a turn on hard snow by getting up on edge and leaning aganst a wall, and pressure the board. Since there is nothing pressuring the "off snow" half of the board between the tips and the outside of your bindings, for those sections of the board you are getting a completely different flex characteristic in this case, basically twice as flexy as the solid board. I think it would also be an issue for cases where the board is flexed torsionally, for example if you're "twisting" the board by pressuring the toe of one foot and the heel of the other.

I had the tip clip come undone while riding once in soft snow, and it didn't feel any different. Then another time riding the same board in the spring on hard snow, I actually lost the tip clip, and there was a very noticeable difference in handling. There's actually some video of that second incident at the end of this vid, though the way the tip is moving is not completely obvious in the video.

It would be fun to try the no-hook/no-clip setup at the resort sometime in hard snow and check out the difference in feel in a more controlled test. Haven't been able to do that with my old Burton since on that one the split hooks don't swivel.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:12 pm 
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Just the other day I saw somebody return a burton split to REI because they were complaining that the tip/tail clips kept coming undone. When I looked closer at the board I noticed that the pivoting hooks were missing the second stopper screw, not the screw that the hook actually pivots on but the second screw that keeps the hook from spinning all the way around. It seems like it would have been a real pain to get the two halves to stay lined up when sliding the binding plate on the pucks because the hooks can just spin past each other when you put pressure on the board halves. Not to mention the annoyance of the tip/tail clips coming undone.


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I had the same problem and found it to be very annoying. I came up with this very simple solution:
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Hope the picture comes up now!

It's very easy to handle (takes a while to make the knot in the right place though) It works fine for me!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:43 pm 
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Schwalbster, I can't see the picture. Can you describe what you did?


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here you go...
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Thanks Cranman! I never understand why this doesn't work for me (since it obviously is the url of the picture), so thank you very much!

And of course you only have to make the knot once! Kinda expressed myself a little weird. With easy to handle I mean flipping the sling on and off when you switch modes.

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