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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:38 pm 
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It's going to be an interesting day when a board mfg. and a binding Co. decide to think outside the box and develop something that doesn't follow the old Voile hole patterns. I would think this would open up an insane amount of possibilities but I'm stupid so what do I know.

Why would anyone step away from the hole pattern? Yeah, the pucks suck, but the hole pattern is pretty basic. Sure, channels are an option. But it would take a board company that also makes bindings to change the system and then they would be sacrificing sales because no one else's bindings would work with their system.

What improvements do you think could be made to the current hole pattern that almost every splitboard uses?


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
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What I would really like to see is a binding company make it so that we can use the solid board hole pattern on diy splits and not have to put extra unneeded weight in to our diy boards...


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:58 pm 
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What I would really like to see is a binding company make it so that we can use the solid board hole pattern on diy splits and not have to put extra unneeded weight in to our diy boards...

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
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firstlight wrote:
KennyGPorters wrote:
What I would really like to see is a binding company make it so that we can use the solid board hole pattern on diy splits and not have to put extra unneeded weight in to our diy boards...

Prowder



Add Phantom to that list :headbang:


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:02 pm 
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BGnight wrote:
It's going to be an interesting day when a board mfg. and a binding Co. decide to think outside the box and develop something that doesn't follow the old Voile hole patterns. I would think this would open up an insane amount of possibilities but I'm stupid so what do I know.

Why would anyone step away from the hole pattern? Yeah, the pucks suck, but the hole pattern is pretty basic. Sure, channels are an option. But it would take a board company that also makes bindings to change the system and then they would be sacrificing sales because no one else's bindings would work with their system.

What improvements do you think could be made to the current hole pattern that almost every splitboard uses?


I think we all know what happened with the original Burton splitboard interface.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:27 pm 
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shredgnar wrote:
BGnight wrote:
It's going to be an interesting day when a board mfg. and a binding Co. decide to think outside the box and develop something that doesn't follow the old Voile hole patterns. I would think this would open up an insane amount of possibilities but I'm stupid so what do I know.

Why would anyone step away from the hole pattern? Yeah, the pucks suck, but the hole pattern is pretty basic. Sure, channels are an option. But it would take a board company that also makes bindings to change the system and then they would be sacrificing sales because no one else's bindings would work with their system.

What improvements do you think could be made to the current hole pattern that almost every splitboard uses?


Really? Everyone is designing their ideas based on some arbitrary hole pattern from a product that was invented 20 years ago. And yes there would be a sacrifice at first but that's what motivated, innovative people deal with to make a revolutionary product. I'm guessing Burton will be the first to do it because they have so much money and can just buy out someone's good idea. It's the next logical evolutionary step in splitboarding.

We all bitch about wanting innovation but we tell all the inventors out there that YOU CAN ONLY USE THESE 4 HOLES because that's just the way it's always been. Don't question me! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:44 pm 
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BGnight wrote:
shredgnar wrote:
BGnight wrote:
It's going to be an interesting day when a board mfg. and a binding Co. decide to think outside the box and develop something that doesn't follow the old Voile hole patterns. I would think this would open up an insane amount of possibilities but I'm stupid so what do I know.

Why would anyone step away from the hole pattern? Yeah, the pucks suck, but the hole pattern is pretty basic. Sure, channels are an option. But it would take a board company that also makes bindings to change the system and then they would be sacrificing sales because no one else's bindings would work with their system.

What improvements do you think could be made to the current hole pattern that almost every splitboard uses?


Really? Everyone is designing their ideas based on some arbitrary hole pattern from a product that was invented 20 years ago. And yes there would be a sacrifice at first but that's what motivated, innovative people deal with to make a revolutionary product. I'm guessing Burton will be the first to do it because they have so much money and can just buy out someone's good idea. It's the next logical evolutionary step in splitboarding.

We all bitch about wanting innovation but we tell all the inventors out there that YOU CAN ONLY USE THESE 4 HOLES because that's just the way it's always been. Don't question me! :lol:


Brooks, I am confused by your statement. Nothing about the splitboard interface hole pattern is arbitrary, in fact, I would suggest that the spacing of the holes from the center of the board is ideal for designing a precise riding binding system and getting good stance adjustability, while using a minimum number of inserts. As far as I am concerned, the split board pattern is actually superior to the 4 hole pattern standard on solid boards, because it is a wider pattern, allowing for a stiffer binding interface with the board.
Please describe exactly how the bolt hole pattern could be improved, and how that would allow for a better interface system? Perhaps the touring bracket and heel riser part could be improved (or eliminated in favor of DIY drilling ala skis, saving the weight of those inserts).

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:54 pm 
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Fyi, I talked to someone who saw the Plum interface firsthand and they said the ride mode was "SUPER loose and rattles all over the place". I trust this person's objectivity and opinions regarding gear so take it fwiw.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
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I think it would be wise to reserve judgement on the PLUM system, as they admit that what has been shown so far is a prototype only, and that changes will be made for production units. They appear to be hopeful that they will have a finished product for 14/15, if so, at that time we can actually review the finished product.
The PLUM system looks pretty cool, but I would choose the new Karakoram system first, as it is evolved from a tested system. I am not suggesting that PLUM will not be great, it may well be, but we will have to be patient to find out.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
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BUT WHEN IS SOMEONE WITH A FUCKING BRAIN GOING TO MAKE A CRAMPON WITH OFFSET, ANGLED TEETH???!!!! :banghead:

What do you mean with that? Don't understand it.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
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FloImSchnee wrote:
BGnight wrote:
BUT WHEN IS SOMEONE WITH A FUCKING BRAIN GOING TO MAKE A CRAMPON WITH OFFSET, ANGLED TEETH???!!!! :banghead:

What do you mean with that? Don't understand it.

I'm guessing (and could be wrong) that he means that looking down on the teeth, instead of this:

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I'm probably wrong though :)


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
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I put teeth along the front of the crampon, wanting to get more traction it worked. But design evolved to having just teeth on the side, it was more efficient and still good bite. And it never doesn't engage. Smaller and lighter.


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FloImSchnee wrote:
BGnight wrote:
BUT WHEN IS SOMEONE WITH A FUCKING BRAIN GOING TO MAKE A CRAMPON WITH OFFSET, ANGLED TEETH???!!!! :banghead:

What do you mean with that? Don't understand it.

I'm guessing (and could be wrong) that he means that looking down on the teeth, instead of this:

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I'm probably wrong though :)


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Gear Thread
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barrows wrote:
Perhaps the touring bracket and heel riser part could be improved (or eliminated in favor of DIY drilling ala skis, saving the weight of those inserts).


Hear hear...
Check quiverkiller inserts puderluder, but you have to grind them down it seems.
Asked them about and said they can't do it for splitboards as they become too short:
"Thanks for the email. We have played with the idea of making a splitboard insert but the issues are 1. the market is small and 2. the insert needs to be very short (7mm or less), which makes it difficult to include enough threads."


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