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 Post subject: Flatlanders?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:59 pm 
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Hello. My name is Ben, and I'm from Iowa. :). Last week I finally had my first legit backcountry experience. It might as well of been crack because I'm addicted! Just wondering if there are any other flatlanders on here. How often do you get out west (or east)?

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 Post subject: Re: Flatlanders?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:25 pm 
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Welcome to the Forum. I used to be a flat lander (Houston Texas ) but I moved west many years ago. Tell us about your recent adventure. Got any pics ?


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 Post subject: Re: Flatlanders?
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Thanks Tex! I was at Jackson Hole and went out with a group of experienced backcountry skiers. I rented a splitboard and off to the pass we went. The trek in was almost as much fun as the ride down... Almost!

I'm not smart enough to figure out how to post a pic here, at least with my phone. I'll try later from the desktop.

Any good books you can recommend? I'm looking into avalanche classes now. We have two more trips to CO planned this year so I'm going to try to work a class into one of those trips.


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 Post subject: Re: Flatlanders?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:45 pm 
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Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain by Bruce Tremper is the one to get for sure!


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 Post subject: Re: Flatlanders?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:11 pm 
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Thanks KGN! I just ordered it.


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 Post subject: Re: Flatlanders?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:09 am 
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+1 on Tremper's book. The science of avalanches is not so hard, the hard part is will power, discipline and consistency. If you read the utah avalanche center forecast everyday for the rest of the season as part of your routine, you'll learn tons about aspect, layering, persistent weakness and how weaknesses can cure out and when they don't. I left the flatland in 88 for good after nearly being caught in a monster slide just outside Breckenridge in 1987. 1 fact: central Colorado snowpack is creepy a lot of the time and a lot more often than other places.


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 Post subject: Re: Flatlanders?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:04 pm 
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Good idea on following the daily avy forecast. I'll start doing that. Just picked up a freebird on eBay, hope to put it to use in March. Thanks again for the tips!


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Also you wil learn the difference between maritime continental and mid region snowpacks. Here in the Sierra we get maritime snow wi h means more water content and that means more stability faster. We usually can go out one day after a 3-4 foot dump without too much worries but in a contential snowpack that would be Suicide just learn the difference between all snowpacks. Learn about wind loading and learn to dig a pit. If you want to go out in the Sierra. Just pm me. We can work it out. Just remember we are very high altitude so allow 1-2 days for acculamation


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 Post subject: Re: Flatlanders?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:36 am 
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Scooby2 wrote:
+1 on Tremper's book. The science of avalanches is not so hard, the hard part is will power, discipline and consistency.


while i dont want to completely discredit your post, as i agree the difficulty in execution is mostly mental.. im not sure how you can claim "the science of avalanches is not hard," as every snowpack has different properties, and the intricacies of winter travel extend far beyond decision making.

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 Post subject: Re: Flatlanders?
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Yes I'm from Minnesota.

There were years I rode 20+ days "out west"
But the last few have been cut down to 10 days or less

I really enjoyed the Avy 1 class I took at silverton mountain. That was really the turning point for me when I decided that being the backcountry was going to be a lifelong pursuit. I did it on a whim and it changed everything.

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 Post subject: Re: Flatlanders?
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Oh the flatlands...don't let that stop you. You can be just as fast as mountain livers with a bit more effort in the pre-season.

I love living in MN....I just have to travel more, and if done right you can get some good consistent days. I've been in Austria for 5wks, and have another week, or so to get some more. So, anything is possible.

I would go past the standard "recreational" avy course, and take a secondary. I took my Canadian Operations Level 1 from CAA in 04'. That 12 days I spent 13hrs a day studying avy science was priceless.

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 Post subject: Re: Flatlanders?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:27 am 
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Scooby2 wrote:
The science of avalanches is not so hard, the hard part is will power, discipline and consistency. .

I think I get what you're trying to say, but there's a lot of folks with Master's and PhDs in snow science that would probably disagree!

Anyway, to the OP, Tremper's book is a must have, but here's another that's a little bit more concise (but no less important): Image

http://www.amazon.com/Snow-Sense-Evalua ... snow+sense

+1 on subscribing to the daily email avy reports for the areas you're planning on frequenting.

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 Post subject: Re: Flatlanders?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:43 am 
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Thanks folks! I just got Trempers book, but I'll order Snow Sense too. It's good to see a few other Midwesterners on here. We get out west about 15 plus days a year. Time to start transitioning some of those days to backcountry. It looks like the Silverton Avy course is filled for this year. I'll sign up early next year.


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