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 Post subject: Re: shopping for a jacket, what is best for touring
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:03 pm 
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I was really really close to going Marmot Flight Bib + Cerro Torre Jacket, both are fabulous. The one thing that bothered me was no pant<>jacket locking interface. After tomahawking numerous times both with and without this feature i'm not sure I can do without it again. So, I went with NF.


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 Post subject: Re: shopping for a jacket, what is best for touring
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:39 pm 
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^^^I thought the Flight allowed for a jacket to pant/bib interface? One might need to purchase the "gasket" they mention, but it seems as though it is possible depending on the specific (Marmot) jacket.

Guess I underestimate the efficiency of the elastic crotch strap on my Stretch Element jacket to keep it in place. That is by no means an admission of Tomahawkn... :wink:

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Didn't know about Promotive, looks like a great benefit (but like I need another SAC/The Clymb-type site to drain money into! :)).


If you know someone who's active military, their group on Promotive has access to 250+ brands. Our bank accounts have never been the same since.

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 Post subject: Re: shopping for a jacket, what is best for touring
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:12 am 
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96avs01 wrote:
^^^I thought the Flight allowed for a jacket to pant/bib interface?


Yeah I think youre right. The ones I was gonna get were the Spires since they seemed more breathable in the stomach/back area. Got the two confused. Do you know how their system works? Pants and jacket zip together?


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 Post subject: Re: shopping for a jacket, what is best for touring
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^^^Not 100% sure how the jacket to pant/bib connection is made. Nothing on the Marmot website detailing the interface.

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 Post subject: Re: shopping for a jacket, what is best for touring
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:14 am 
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i prefer one with a hood and chest pockets with an entrance inside the jacket. makes it easier for chooming out of the wind.


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 Post subject: Re: shopping for a jacket, what is best for touring
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:08 pm 
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Just picked up a Patagonia Powslayer jacket at a crazy deal at the local outlet store. They are currently blowing these out online too, see:
http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/men ... 0300-1-065

They only have small sizes left, but I actually got a small and it seems to fit fine. Normally wear a medium, but these seem to run a little big. Looking forward to trying this one out. It's longer than my previous Patagonia jacket so better coverage, and has a nice minimal pow skirt (not intrusive but should get the job done), with a loop to attach to your pants for more security if your pants have a loop below the belt in the back. Super light and seems like it should breathe really well.


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 Post subject: Re: shopping for a jacket, what is best for touring
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I am hoping to pick up some Cocona base layers and outerwear soon. The claims/videos about the product sound really good. I run hot while skinning so anything to get the moisture off my skin and keep me dry sounds good. I just hope it lives up to the claims.

Does anyone have experience with their products?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:10 am 
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Arc'teryx. Don't waste your time with imitators.


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 Post subject: Re: shopping for a jacket, what is best for touring
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:50 am 
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I tour in an AK 3L Hover Jacket and I can say wholeheartedly that it's a great jacket. The gore-tex pro shell fabric and zippers are totally bomber. Burton has also dialed in an excellent articulated fit - not too small, not too baggy. I wear a size small jacket for a tighter fit and can still layer, medium pants because I like more room in the legs. My only complaint is that the hood could be a little bigger but this is alleviated if you size up.

For mid layers I have a few different TNF hoodies that work well. I just got a Zephryus Hoodie for the skin up after hearing good things about the heat-mapping and vent features. Well see how that pans out.

Otherwise, I'd probably choose Arc'teryx for outerwear. They make a hell of a jacket if you're willing to spend the dough. Like most things, it's really about preference, what you're willing to spend, and what works for you. Just try a lot of stuff on and stick with Gore-tex pro-shell if possible. That's my .02.

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 Post subject: Re: shopping for a jacket, what is best for touring
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If you want something that actually breathes then go with Gore Active shell. I work at a gear store and own some high-end stuff, including the Hover 3L, Neoshell jackets, etc. etc. and the only waterproof/"breathable" that actually breathes and is windproof is gore active shell.

I was sold on Neoshell until I was exposed to single digit temps and 35 mph gusts - I had never been that cold before. Gore pro is good but generally very heavy due to the mfg's choice of face fabric and backer and not very breathable despite all of the claims to the contrary. Gore active is multiple orders of magnitude more breathable than pro shell and actually windproof (unlike neoshell) but the rub (theres always a trade-off) is that Gore active is slightly less burly than gore pro but much more versatile.

The older I get and the more I tour the less I give a shit about steez, find a gore active jacket that fit's well and has just about every feature you want and you won't look back - you'll have a legit 4 season shell. (Gore pro shell jackets aren't good for wearing during the summer unless you live on the north or south pole- wear that pro shell jacket during a 75 degree summer rainstorm and you'll be about as comfortable as Paula Deen in a spin class).

My system - for the resort I have an AK 3l hover, I love it but I bought it when my shredding was centered around resort riding and weight/packability were of no concern. For the backcountry I have a TNF Alpine project shell, it provides the same protection and weighs less than 1/2 as much as the Hover 3l and takes up about 1/2 the space in my pack.

Don't overlook TNF, IMO their products have actually gotten better over the past few years and they stand behind them 110%. You can also find their stuff on sale a lot because so many retailers carry it. Try everything on before you commit, the last few years nearly every manufacturer has changed their sizing and in general outerwear has gotten roomier.


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 Post subject: Re: shopping for a jacket, what is best for touring
PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:12 am 
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trokedawg wrote:
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My system - for the resort I have an AK 3l hover, I love it but I bought it when my shredding was centered around resort riding and weight/packability were of no concern. For the backcountry I have a TNF Alpine project shell, it provides the same protection and weighs less than 1/2 as much as the Hover 3l and takes up about 1/2 the space in my pack.

Don't overlook TNF, IMO their products have actually gotten better over the past few years and they stand behind them 110%. You can also find their stuff on sale a lot because so many retailers carry it. Try everything on before you commit, the last few years nearly every manufacturer has changed their sizing and in general outerwear has gotten roomier.


One think I'm little worried of is durability of active shell. Could you comment on that. I'm in the market for new shell, if I pick one, I want to be using it both in resort and on tours. I've read some user experience, where he stated, that he tore the jacket heavily on tree.
Also I'm worried on no snowskirt on TNF Alpine Project. There aren't many options when you look for Gore Active shell jacket with pow skirt unfortunatelly.

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