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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:53 pm 
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That's a beautiful ski. I was just checking it out too. Light. DPS should make splits. That ski, doubled in width and split (making it 190 x ~31.5/~28.5/~30) is pretty close to the board I wish someone would make.

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:05 pm 
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barrows wrote:
Taylor wrote:
That's a beautiful ski. I was just checking it out too. Light. DPS should make splits. That ski, doubled in width and split (making it 190 x ~31.5/~28.5/~30) is pretty close to the board I wish someone would make.

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Thats what I thought when I picked it.......DPS splits would be sick, the construction is as good as it gets, so light, and the topsheet, dunno what they make that out of.
If the SIA is anything to go by the split market has exploded, interesting to see if is sustainable or if it will contract like the regular snowboard market did i the late 90's

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:56 pm 
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Taylor wrote:
DPS should make splits.


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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:07 pm 
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Just ask, it'll be a board in the 180-190cm range to start with

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:09 pm 
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^i love snowboarding. so rad. pretty sure i would ride that. top one looks good.

new ventures:http://snowboarding.transworld.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/442/files/sia_final/IMG_8040.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:25 pm 
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whistlermaverick wrote:
Thats what I thought when I picked it.......DPS splits would be sick, the construction is as good as it gets, so light, and the topsheet, dunno what they make that out of.
If the SIA is anything to go by the split market has exploded, interesting to see if is sustainable or if it will contract like the regular snowboard market did i the late 90's


My question is if splitting has blown up so much why is this forum so small?

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:24 am 
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now if there was a touch of base concave as soon as the sidecut ended near the middle of the front inserts....?

I dunno if a pin tail or a swallow tail is better, pin tail more 'surfey' swallow tail more power in the turn

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:32 am 
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For a pin tail board we are going to one called "Tail walker"
Pics to come
And yes there will be Swallowtails too!

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:29 am 
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firstlight wrote:
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For a pin tail board we are going to one called "Tail walker"
Pics to come
And yes there will be Swallowtails too!


Oops! I see the second shape is the less sidecut version... sorry.

I would suggest that a swallow gives a feel more like a traditional board on hard snow: the tail grips and tracks. The design Adam shows here is similar in outline to a furberg, which is designed to allow easy sliding/smearing turns in powder, while still being able to arc if the rider wants to.
Adam, what i'd like to see is less sidecut on this shape, around 18-20 m radius, this looks a lot deeper than that in the drawing. Additionally, you might think about snubbing the nose and tail a little more, not by changing the long, gentle, entry points (aka tapered tip and tails) but by just squaring off the tip and tail a little more. I think doing so could drop the overall length a little, making for a less bulk/weight without effecting the functional length of the board at all. Really cool to see you experimenting with non-traditional approaches. What kind of rocker/camber profiles are you trying?

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:42 am 
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http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2013/02 ... -2013.html

It looks like Dynafit will not make the tlt5 anymore? Now a stiffer, heavier tlt6? Sorry if this has already been covered.


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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:18 am 
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hmmmmm. tapered outline in the nose and tail, meaning blending your side cut out early, to me seems like more of a compensation for the fact that it's a lot harder to control the tip and tail of a ski by rotating your foot. With two feet on a board you have a lot more leverage to keep the tips from deflecting on things. I think the goal of having the tip sidecut taper out like that is easily achieved by a bit more rocker and a stiffer nose, and a 12-14 meter sidecut instead of a 9m. This way you progressively engage more edge the more you roll a board up on edge. I guess in extremely crappy sastrugi and hard frozen sun cups this could be useful in a board, but maybe not the way to go in the better soft conditions in Western North America.

If you grab any of these real modern skis, the very tips and tails are buttery soft. Of course this would make them grab onto stuff and deflect and cause you to trip on them. Removing the sidecut makes them not grab on high spots so much and fixes this. I think with more leverage and control you have over the ends of a snowboard, this is less of an issue and less of this fix is needed.

I've been riding boards with shallow sidecuts that start about 4 inches after the nose curve stops and I have one with a fair bit of this taper in the back. I didnt really like the one with the taper in the back so much because although it was real solid and predictable when you popped up on some refreeze or windcrust, it didn't have the stability and solidness of a longer contact edge at ass-hauling speeds when you were on a harder surface and it just kinda didn't arc you into as fun of an arc (mind you this was with a 14 meter sidecut)

:twocents: I'd do it gently, for maybe 5-8 cms and I think things like an even rocker curve and stiffness can do more


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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
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idtmcp542 wrote:
http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2013/02/winter-or-2013.html

It looks like Dynafit will not make the tlt5 anymore? Now a stiffer, heavier tlt6? Sorry if this has already been covered.
According to what I read on German websites both price and weight will remain the same.


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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:57 am 
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barrows wrote:
firstlight wrote:
Whistlermaverick
For a pin tail board we are going to one called "Tail walker"
Pics to come
And yes there will be Swallowtails too!


Additionally, you might think about snubbing the nose and tail a little more, not by changing the long, gentle, entry points (aka tapered tip and tails) but by just squaring off the tip and tail a little more. I think doing so could drop the overall length a little, making for a less bulk/weight without effecting the functional length of the board at all.

What kind of rocker/camber profiles are you trying?


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I like squared off tails, no wasted extra material weight, and a couple days ago on a short tour I got stuck on a steep wall and had to make a critical jump turn in a tight spot, with a reduced tail there is less distance to have to jump out before turning and less chance of a tail hooking.
I was thinking about this yesterday, a completely squared off tail (or swallowtail) may sink too much, maybe a recessed tail still to give a touch of float.

The question that I haven't quite figured out yet is what is the point of having more tail behind the end of the effective edge if you are having a directional pow board.
Float?, drag reduction?
Most important what is the optimum length of a tail beyond the end of effective edge ?
Would cutting 6cms off the tail of my 173 Furberg really affect how it reacts?
With a longer rockered tail why wouldn't you square it off?

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