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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:58 am 
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Two things that caught my eye at SIA.

Venture's "true twin", only making ~25 or 50 with pretty cool graphics custom made for Skyler H. a guide in Silverton.

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And it's back! Mammut pack with the air bag that is not just a bag behind your head. They revived the original snowpulse design but now it is removable so you can have two packs and one air bag system. Working on getting this pack at Silverton Splitfest (and a few other air bag packs) for people to check out.

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:08 am 
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Scooby: good input as usual. What furberg does to address the stability is that the sidecut extends about 5" behind the last set of inserts in the tail. That same section is also flat (not rockered or cambered), then the rocker starts just a little before the tapered tail begins. This (flat) section of the board is also quite stiff. The resulting ride is very versatile for me: I can arc long radius pow carves at speed (if I want) or smear and slarve easily as well, or make turns which are any combination of carved arc and smear, etc. It does make sense to me to ride a furberg in a longer length, I have the 173, and am not sure if the 167 would have enough stability for me. So far I have not found a limitation for the furberg design for my riding (in the backcountry); the combination of long radius sidecut (20m) tapered tip and tail, and rocker profile just seems to work, and allow for a lot of different types of turns, with a very wide speed envelope.

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:11 am 
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keffler wrote:
And it's back! Mammut pack with the air bag that is not just a bag behind your head. They revived the original snowpulse design but now it is removable so you can have two packs and one air bag system.
That is really good news!


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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:21 am 
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provotrout wrote:
My question is if splitting has blown up so much why is this forum so small?


Dude, this forum has quadrupled in the last 3 years. It's hard to keep up, haha! That's my purely subjective feeling for the time I have been on here.

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:34 pm 
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barrows: I can definitely see how even a pretty short length of large radius effective edge would be pretty stable in surprise-hard snow moments at speed, especially if its pretty stiff through that part. I felt that tapering out the tail end removed a bit of a gear that the same board design without it had- maybe because I didn't do the same to the front end so my effective edge was set too forward.
It was cool of Furberg to market such a non-traditional shape, and call them Furbergs!. It'd be an interesting board to demo . . . when they are making 185s :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
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Im creating a new topic " FirstLight Splits" so were dont tread jack this one

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
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ChompOnThis wrote:
Salomon has three splits:
147 Derby, something similar to the spliff for tight trees and Japan pow (Mid-wide/wide, shaped like the YES 420ish)
160 Rancho, looks something like a Hovercraft but not quite as directional.
166 Sick Stick
These guys also come with Salomon skins.

As well as that all there regular Sick Sticks have ABS down the middle so they can be split without needing to be sealed, something Capita also did with the Charlie Slasher.


Only 166 on the Sick Stick split? Wonder what the price point would be with the skins. Anybody got any more good pics of the split?


$825 or something like that, I believe


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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:37 pm 
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No new boots??? (besides the overpriced, gucci version of the Spark boot)
I would think there would be something new out there in terms of splitbootaneering....disappointing.


A little bit more on the Deeluxe Summit. Not only is the shell leather, but the heel cup on the inside of the liner is also leather. I think the logic is that it will be a longer lasting liner and it will mold to your heel. It'll have the heel welt like the XV, a focus boa on the instep like the vicious, a thicker rand, and they slimmed down the profile of all their vibram boots just a tad bit more. Not exactly what I expected when I heard word of a 650 boot (I think everyone was hoping for a stiff toebox for frontpointing), but they aren't charging 650 based on nothing. Still a bit overpriced though IMO. Also down the pipeline from Deeluxe is a lace up version on the XV, didn't catch the pricepoint on that one.

Rossi XV looks sick, but they totally redesigned the structure of the board from the Experience model. Instead of having a softer nose with a stiff tail, they made a board with a stiffer nose and softer tail. Seems like a dumb idea to me, does anyone have any experience/idea how a board like that would handle?


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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
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How differences in fore and aft flex affect a board's ride depend in large part on how those flex attributes interact with the rest of the design--like sidecut, taper, tail and shovel taper length, rocker or camber profile, etc. So, the following generalizations are thus qualified.

Generally speaking a stiffer flex fore of the front foot will hold forward pressure better; a board with such a flex will be less prone to "folding" in harder, variable or corn conditions, and will better accommodate an aggressive weight-forward riding style. (Read Mark Fawceett's new board company website on this.)

Generally speaking a softer tail will be less stable at speed, at the end of big arcs, in a rear weight throw or in other situations where a rider's weight it focused toward the board's aft. But a softer tail will also release more easily, making it more maneuverable at slower speeds and better able to slarve and smear as one would do riding tight trees, for example.

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
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Agreed with Taylor. Lots of good freeride boards will have a stiff section just in front of the front binding, in order to avoid folding of the nose when riding at speed, then they will quickly reduce the stiffness alot at the very tip, to allow the last tip section to deflect over obstacles: the Winterstick Tom Burt is this way. The softer tail on the XV, if true, is a little curious. Yes, it will allow easier slarving, and a more buttery tail feel, but considering X. DeLeRue's riding style, (very high speed bombing) I would expect him to want some beef in the tail of his board for stability? Although, as Taylor mentions, all of the design factors, like taper, sidecut, and rocker profile will have an influence as to how "loose" the tail may be.
I did see an interview with Xav, where he stated he designed his board to be more forgiving than the Experience, again, a little curious to me considering his riding style. But, maybe he has found a balance of design parameters which allow the board to be a little more forgiving, while still providing bomb proof stability when necessary. A more forgiving board can be helpful when riding on the edge of control in situations where a fall could have dire consequences.
Does anyone have the specs on the XV splits yet?

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
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here is a short video with the product developer of Deeluxe talking about the new freeride/splitboard line-up that we filmed at ISPO Munich.

http://www.splitboardmag.com/blogs/deeluxe-ispo-2013/

The option of being able to only lock the ankle while touring and leave the rest loose sounds good!

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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
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Some of these may be posted already but here are links to some catalogs.
K2 http://www.zuzupopo.com/xe/index.php?mid=catalog&page=2&document_srl=86895
Burton http://www.zuzupopo.com/xe/index.php?mid=catalog&page=2&document_srl=87444
Deeluxe http://www.zuzupopo.com/xe/index.php?mid=catalog&page=3&document_srl=87034
Arbor http://www.zuzupopo.com/xe/index.php?mid=catalog&page=3&document_srl=87044
Rome http://www.zuzupopo.com/xe/index.php?mid=catalog&page=5&document_srl=85977
Jones http://www.zuzupopo.com/xe/index.php?mid=catalog&page=5&document_srl=85843
Prior http://www.zuzupopo.com/xe/index.php?mid=catalog&page=6&document_srl=85423
Unity http://www.zuzupopo.com/xe/index.php?mid=catalog&page=7&document_srl=85251
Signal http://www.zuzupopo.com/xe/index.php?mid=catalog&page=7&document_srl=85033


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 Post subject: Re: 2013-2014 new gear
PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:28 am 
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PeRi wrote:
The option of being able to only lock the ankle while touring and leave the rest loose sounds good!
This is possible with many other boots as well. The problem is: as soon as you are sidehilling (especially on firm snow), the support from the upper section helps dramatically.
So keeping the upper part loose is only an option for going straight.


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