Splitboard.com Forums

The World's first exclusive splitboard discussion forums






It is currently Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:19 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:36 pm
Posts: 144
Curious what people use and why... Tents or shelters? If shelters is it a purpose built shelter, or just a generic camping tarp?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:45 pm
Posts: 850
Location: hopefully not at work
Snow cave or tent, IMHO winter is no time for a tarp.

EDIT: if for no other reason think about trying to light your stove or keep your clothes/bag moisture-free with a bunch of spindrift.

_________________
Chris

165 Venture Divide, Spark Franken-Burner, LaSportiva Spantik
163W Jones Solution, Phantom Alphas, Dynafit TLT5
162 Furberg


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:52 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:05 pm
Posts: 522
I don't do a lot of snow camping, however, a tarp could have it's uses, but in conjunction with a snow cave/structure. Dig out the the area under your tarp and fill in the open areas at either end, maybe build a entrance with a right angle to prevent too much spindrift blowing in. Boom, spacious winter shelter with less work than a snow cave.

check out this book: http://www.amazon.com/Allen-Mikes-Really-Cool-Backcountry/dp/1575400766

_________________
My blog with photos, videos and words from my travels. http://edcarley.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:58 pm
Posts: 401
Location: slc
ehcarley wrote:
I don't do a lot of snow camping, however, a tarp could have it's uses, but in conjunction with a snow cave/structure. Dig out the the area under your tarp and fill in the open areas at either end, maybe build a entrance with a right angle to prevent too much spindrift blowing in. Boom, spacious winter shelter with less work than a snow cave.

I've spent a few nights in a sculpted snow hole under a megamid-type tarp in the snow, as described above. You can rig them up with ski poles, avy probes, sticks, cord, etc. Worked well for my needs, where we could set it up protected in the trees. In more alpine conditions, I'd want to dig a snowcave, or, technically, more typically what I've built has been a quinzhee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinzhee

Bring as much insulation padding as you can for between the snow/tent floor and your sleeping bag.

ehcarley wrote:

Good book.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:21 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:05 pm
Posts: 522
Buckchow, I have done essentially the same thing you described. On my NOLS splitboarding course we did that exact thing, then built a snowcave/quinzhee the next day.

It works well, and definitely doesn't take as long a building a snow structure.

_________________
My blog with photos, videos and words from my travels. http://edcarley.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:30 am
Posts: 253
Quote:
definitely doesn't take as long a building a snow structure


but it's oh so satisfying if you have the time!

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:34 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:45 am
Posts: 808
Location: Bozeman, MT
I use a floor-less tent, in particular the Golite Shangri-La 2.

Image

Having a floor-less shelter allows you to dig down into the snow. If the pack is deep enough you can dig down and then out under the walls to create a sleeping area outside the footprint of the tent. Then the middle part of the tent is available for standing around in. You of course need to leave pillars of snow to prop your ski poles up on to hold up the roof of course.

Here's an awesome drawing of what I'm talking about:

Red = shelter
Blue = snow
Green = sleeping bags
Black = ski pole

Image

_________________
http://samh.net/snowboarding/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:59 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 9:59 pm
Posts: 209
Great drawing, greater idea. :bananas:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:40 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:56 am
Posts: 20
samh wrote:
I use a floor-less tent, in particular the Golite Shangri-La 2.

Image

Having a floor-less shelter allows you to dig down into the snow. If the pack is deep enough you can dig down and then out under the walls to create a sleeping area outside the footprint of the tent. Then the middle part of the tent is available for standing around in. You of course need to leave pillars of snow to prop your ski poles up on to hold up the roof of course.

Here's an awesome drawing of what I'm talking about:

Red = shelter
Blue = snow
Green = sleeping bags
Black = ski pole

Image


Nice work.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:05 am
Posts: 1510
Location: Colorado
I generally prefer a tent, as it is much quicker for set up and take down than tarp/snowcave combos and one can spend a lot of energy which might be saved for riding in digging that much snow. But, in the right situation, a nice snowcave is quiet and bombproof, and warm. I have a Mountain Hardware Kiva, and this works pretty well if one has the time and energy to set it up perfectly and dig it in. Around here it is so windy, that one really has to be careful if relying on tarp type shelters, the Kiva will withstand winds, but only if fully guyed out and the entire perimeter well buried, or building an AK style walled campsite.
Bottom line: one or two nights, tent. Longer trips with one basecamp, tarp/snowcave, although lately I have been using huts for trips longer than a couple of days.

_________________
Never Summer Prospector 167X, furberg 173 DIY, Dynafit TLT5/6 Mountain , Phantom Bindings, BD Glidelite Skins
Quiver Killer inserts

http://protectourwinters.org/
http://14ersnowboardproject.homestead.com/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:52 pm
Posts: 92
samh wrote:

Image


that diagram rocks! definitely going to have to try this.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:18 pm
Posts: 472
Location: New Castle, Colorado
I have great success with Black Diamond Megamid and Golite Hex 3 floorless tents for winter camping/backcountry travel. Pryamid styles tenst are awesome and simple to use for extended winter camping / backcountry travel and are used widely on expeditions as the "cook-tent".

Use the BD Pole Link Converter http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en-us/shop/mountain/shelters/pole-link-converter with ski poles to save on having to carry the pole.

I now carry the MSR EHouse http://www.backcountry.com/msr-e-house-shelter?CMP_SKU=CAS0559&MER=0406&CMP_ID=SH_FRO001&mv_pc=r126&mr:trackingCode=9F3EC1DA-F061-DF11-9DA0-002219319097&mr:referralID=NA as an ultralight weight shelter (20 oz).

Valentines Night 2010, My wife and I had to do an emergency bivouc with the EHouse. The EHouse work great! It was semi self-supporting as we tether the roof at each end with AT skis standing up, Then:

1. I formed a "^" (upside down V) with ski poles (fully extended) and lashed the handles together with Voile straps.
2. Placed the both set of "^" ski poles. attach the ski pole tips with each corner of the tent stake loops and the ski pole handles into the apex of the tent roof/door corner.

This allowed us to dig a slightly deep trench instead of placing the ski pole standing in the into the apex of the tent roof/door corner. Then we snow-anchor each side of the EHouse on with my skis (splitboard). The night was windy and snowed over a foot!

I also purchased the EHouse to use as quick get out of the weather without having to pitch it as a tent or lunch and rest stops. Similar to the UltraLite Alpini Shelter by Brooks-Range (see http://brooks-range.com/UltraLite-Alpin ... r-200.html) which is used for lunch and rest stops, when pitching a tent would be too time consuming and impractical.

By the way, if you have the $$$$... the best winter shelter out there is the Brook-Range Rocket Tent
see http://brooks-range.com/rocket-tent.html I know Dick Jackson, the designer of this tent and owner/guide of Aspen Expeditions.

_________________
Ride the Pow!
----
Venture Storm R 163 (2010), Dynafit Binding/Sparks Adapter, Scarpa F1 Boots, Bomber Sidewinder Bindings * Prior 172 Fissile (2012) Dynafit Binding/Sparks Adapter


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Winter camping: Tent vs Shelter/tarp?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:14 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:48 pm
Posts: 114
I did a rec. Avi course when I was in College and we built one of those fancy name snowcaves. We also threw a tarp down in the cave as a moisture barrier. Did it work, I don't know?


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Majestic-12 [Bot] and 4 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  





Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group