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 Post subject: HELP MY DIY MOD: I need solid puck material for a DIY MOD
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:51 pm 
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To those of you with access to the nylon material that is generally used for the voile type pucks for the sliders to glide upon, I need a set. I have just acquired an older burton custom split. I want to convert it without drilling any(if possible) or many new holes. Since the voile pucks are not solid the locations where I need to place the hole do not have enough puck material thickness.

Who out there can make some or already have some? They need not even be cut into two parts as I may custom cut them to integrate an overlapping portion to bridge the board centerline like I saw in another DIY Mod posting. If I can get a solid set then I can drill up to four holes in each puck side to get me rock solid hold using only the current burton crescent arrangement inserts.

Thank you for the assistance.

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 Post subject: Puck work
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:46 pm 
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<a href="http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh192/Mumbles24/?action=view¤t=DSCF1308.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh192/Mumbles24/DSCF1308.jpg" border="0" alt="Urethane filled pucks"></a>
These are my upside down extra voile pucks. I have filled them with a two part gel urethane. This urethane is old, but if it cures well it will be very solid and fill the space when the pucks are redrilled to retrofit an old burton split. I hope to be able to make a plexiglass mat pattern for the burton cresent interface holes and then apply that to these pucks, redrill them and mount my voile interface on the burton board. If some of the holes can be used that will minimize if not elimnate the need to drill more holes in the board.

Should anyone have some solid puck material, my request still stands. Solid will be much better than this, even if the urethane cures to be rock solid it likely will not bond as nicely to form one unit as if it milled from one solid block.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:38 pm 
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hey mumbles,
first off, gotta say i love to read yer ramblings, it's way cool to hear a guy my age get so stoked.

i think the stuff yer lookin' for is "UHMW", and you can pick up enough to make several boards worth of pucks for about 10-15 bucks on eBay (of course the shipping is another story, but at least you won't have to deal with customs issues). i've been contemplating building a set of pucks similar to jogi's with an integrated canting wedge...but of course it's now snowboarding season, and there's no time for messing in the workshop.

cheers dude,
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 Post subject: Custom pucks
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:57 pm 
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Gary, if you are InTheWoods of the Kootenays you should have little drive time to get your own stoke going...so plenty of shop time. That is unless an old guy like me needs his rest. Personally, I have a four year old and two year old that seem to never sleep unless they are pushing me out of my bed space. So, I sleep little to never.

I will look for some puck material, but I was hoping to get a break and have someone with some already that has the slider plate taper already cut into it. That would make a slightly complicated project a lot easier.

Yeah, I'm getting older, but I have not lost the flavor for excitement. Worked on that damn burton split all day to get my voile sliders attached on top so that I can use my AT boots. That is temporary too until I get a new set of plate bindings. Tinkering keeps me sane while the girls tear the house apart.

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 Post subject: Re: Custom pucks
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:22 pm 
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Mumbles wrote:
Gary, if you are InTheWoods of the Kootenays you should have little drive time to get your own stoke going...so plenty of shop time.

less drive time means more mountain time :-) , and my girl pearl won't let me spend time in the shop if we could be in the mountains. she says "that's what summer is for".
too bad i didn't think of the project in august.

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Mine is a resort rider without the itch yet. We used to ride every weekend all weekend, now she prefers to stay at home. That is why I'm starting the new to me split thing, and as things have gone so far, she will have to convince me to ride inbounds with her.

If the choice is to ride or tinker, you can tinker in your head when you sleep. Ride on.

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 Post subject: Interstate Plastics
PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:29 pm 
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I made contact with Interstate Plastics. They reviewed my text explanation and measurements and said "we can do that". They asked me for a sketch of what I wanted so they could balance that against my text with measurements. I drew them a basic drawing with measurements and sumbitted it. If anyone else rides an older burton and wants to keep posted, let me know or check in occasionally. I will post what the company tells me and how my project goes should I get my hands on the UHMW.

Merry Christmas to all snow riders, be they safe and stoked.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:05 pm 
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a good place to buy things like UHMWPE (or anything else) is McMaster

http://www.mcmaster.com


thats cool you might get them made by a plastics company. did they say what process they would use? would you just make "blanks" without holes? the problem is they have to be drilled custom for each stance. i would like to get a few more pucks so i can change my stance.

be really careful with the tolerances on those the should probably be +/- 3 thou or so to be safe. they would probably fit the spark R&D bindings much better to because they have square corners instead of bends.

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 Post subject: More on the pucks ideas
PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:30 pm 
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Jack,

My idea is to get them undrilled as blanks with the plastics company just producing the "T"profile piece of material in linear board feet if you will. My intent then it to use a plexiglass template that I have overlaid to my burton once the crescent bindign plates are removed. Then I can set it at zero degrees and then rotate forward to my desired stance angles. The unfortunate part is the lack of angle options, so I will make extra sets for the less common angles that I tend to ride. I doubt that any of those would permit drilling of multiple holes for other angles as my stance angles don't vary very much. Right now with my voile kit on my self split burton johan I ride 18 f and 9 rear.

Should the voile sliders not fit I will then hand tune them, but that will be pretty easy. I have some good tinkering skills and some good equipment for a home shop, nothing great for mass production...yet. Should I find this beneficial for my ride I might consider taking requests from other riders on older burton boards to make some for them. Who knows, serving myself first before I'm sold on it working. I have a few ideas on use of the existing burton holes for their skinning interface to modify for the voile kit, but one thing at a time.

When are you taking a rookie out to ride? I have seen your posts about Baker/Crystal/Stevens, if you're willing let me know when.

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Hey Mumbles,
I think you could get this done with a hunk of uhmw and a table saw. Not a super accurate tool, and you will have to scrap the ones that don't fit, but I think you would get four of them out of that much material. I would think that interstate plastics would want you to buy 1000 feet or something like that, but maybe not if they make the T for you. You can get a 12 x 24 x 0.5 (inch) slab for $33 from usplastics here http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/variant.asp?catalog%5Fname=usplastic&category%5Fname=73&product%5Fid=10214&variant%5Fid=45629

Happy tinkering!

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 Post subject: Thanks Will
PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:23 am 
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Will,

Thanks for the US Plastics suggestion. I am not yet sure what interstateplastics will want from me as far as volume. I guess I have all the tools to do a slow manual job, and I don't mind the tinkering. I surely don't have all the high tech DIY gear that Jack had at his disposal when he was working his mod. I'm just hopeful to use this burton board without having to drill a bunch more holes for mounting.

Thanks, and enjoy your time away from Spark, I know the work will be there for you upon your return, so enjoy the time with friends and family over the holidays.

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yeah a table saw would probably work great. the mill is overkill, but when you got it, use it...

here is another good place for bits of plastic (and metal). they cut most things to length and are in Seattle so shipping is quick.


http://www.onlinemetals.com


i will probably remake the pucks for my burton, as they have warped a little which makes the Spark R&D basplates (which have tighter tolerances than the Voiles) a little too tight. we have a chunk of UHMWPE someone scored from Mervin laying around the shop that is about an inch thick. if its not too warped i will see if that works.

let me know when you come up to baker, mumbles, and i am down for a tour. mellow is good because then i can bring my animal.

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 Post subject: Baker
PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:25 pm 
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Jack,

If you have some preferred days to tour Baker let me know. I will see if I can free my schedule. Baker is about a 3 hour ferry/drive from my house, but it is a part of the planet worth driving to. I love the inbounds there, I'm sure the BC is even better.

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