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 Post subject: Mountaineering boot modification
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:18 pm 
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So my mind has been focused on a one boot for all reasons. I wanted to use my mountaineering boots for skinning, hiking, climbing, crampons and of course riding. The latter is the shortcoming, riding these boots are too flexible, especially to the heel side due to no rigidity or highback. Sanfrantastico has modified his plate bindings by removing the heel bail and replaced it with a highback. My modification is a bit different.

I started by removing the upper cuff and single buckle/strap from an old pair of rollerblades that have been collecting dust in my garage for about 8 years. They were easily removed by drilling out the two pivot rivets at the ankle attachment points. I then attached a web strap to the outside ankle pivot point by doubling it over and securing it with a tee nut and screw with locktite. At the inside I doubled over the other end of the web strap and attached a ratchet strap, also with a tee nut and screw with locktite. I then took an old pair of burton ankle straps and harvested the ratcheting buckle. This buckle type has a tab to insert into a hole and then gets fixed in place by a single rivet. I drilled out these rivets and positioned the buckle to mark the location of the holes. I inserted the tab into the hole nearest the ankle cuff bottom and then added a tee insert and screw through the buckle. I put the burton buckle inside for ease of reach, my flexibility is not what it used to be.

Here is how they look:
This picture is the outside view of my left (forward) boot
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This picture is the inside view of my right (rearward) boot
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Here is my home split Burton Johan 163 with voile split kit with both boots mounted looking from the tip toward the tail of the board.
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Now I'm about 210 pounds, so I'm no weight weenie. If I need to shave weight it comes off of my body before I worry about my gear, but I did not want to be hiking in with another set of boots/bindings/interface sliders so this modification weighs in complete with sliders, plate bindings, mountianeering boots and cuff modification at 9.2 pounds. My burton step in boots and bindings with the sliders are just under 12 pounds. This is a fair weight savings in my opinion, even though inherently the mountaineering boots due to the rugged sole and beefy layering make it a heavy boot to begin with. I have not ridden this setup live yet, but I can assure you, the skeptical reader that the rigidity by buckling on this easily added or removed. The cuff adds a nice highback like feel without being too high, is wickedly light, nest well together, have no holes into the boots for attachments (no ruined mountaineering boots), can easily fit into on onto a backpack or can even slide over my forearms (they are practically weightless, maybe a half pound combined).

Let me know what you think of simlpicity applied to my Salomon mountaineering boots. I will let you know how they ride. I hope that the AT hard boots that I just got will start collecting dust like the rollerblades had done...unused indefinitely. With any luck I will get to try these this Friday inbounds or if my Mammut Pulse arrives, out of bounds with one of my new splitboard.com friends (thank you in advance to anyone willing to take me under your wing for a trip for some turns).

Thanks to bcrider for the quick tutorial link on how to add photos to the post. Now mumbles is connected to photobucket too.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:35 am 
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Interesting ideas. Let us know how they ride, although my experience with kooky boot setups sold me on the need for a higher cuff and stiffer boot. You can find other frankenboot ideas here:

http://www.splitboard.com/talk/viewtopi ... 8&start=18

This is the idea I'm interested in right now...
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...but I haven't found a cobbler yet who was willing to give it a go. I may try to freestyle on my old snowboard boots and see what happens.

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SF-We've been drooling over those boots for 4 or 5 years now. They'd sell like Will's bindings are going too. If you find a cobbler let me know.


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 Post subject: SF's Frankenboots
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:44 pm 
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SF,

I have had my soft boots sitting right next to my mountianeering boots thinking about a hybrid merger of the two. I actually considered getting a set of mountaineering boots and somehow epoxy welding the sole of the mountaineering boot to the snowboard boot.

There is also the idea of a "jumpsole" style strap on mountineering boot base that would strap onto and around the sole of the soft snowboard boot, better than carrying a whole extra set of boots, but still requires the carrying of and putting on or off of the extra setup.

I may ride my own frankenboot version this week at Crystal inbounds to see how they feel. My fear is they are still not tall or stiff enough, which is why I was reluctant to make any permanent modification to the mountineering boots. I really like the multiple day all day comfort of these so they can't be sacrificial footwear. I also have a used AT boot, the Lowa Struktura EVO that I have done some slight mods to to see if I can make this hard boot "softer" for better riding. My next trip may include a bunch of boot/board options to see what I think will work before taking off into the BC and finding out that stability and comfort are lacking.

Thanks for the link to other boot mods, I will begin digesting that soon.

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 Post subject: Mountaineering boot with hard external cuff modificaiton
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:21 pm 
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Ride quality sucked on the groomed slopes and very light coverage. Tested the boot and removable cuff add on and I was greatly disappointed with the ride results. There is a remote possibility that deep powder would be better, but it is not worth the risk of encountering harder conditions that would make the ride sloppy to unsafe.

The AT boots worked great though, actually even felt more comfrotable than my burton step ins. Now I'm thinking of getting a fully soft setup and seeing how much comfort I have been missing in all the years of riding the step ins. They have been great, the comfort decent, but now I'm wondering just how much more comfort I might find in a soft boot.

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