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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:04 pm 
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sweet home-brewed design sparky! 8)

tell us more about that custom baseplate/interface! :)


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Sparky's the Man. Comin in here with a sweet ass homebrew on his first post. Mad props. :D


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I think I'm missing something. I use the Voile crampons in the mobile mode, in which the crampon lifts when you lift your heel and engages only when the heel is down. When the riser bar is up, there is still about 20 mm of crampon in the snow at the front of the crampon and about 15 mm at the rear, enough to make a huge difference on hard snow. I tried the fixed mode briefly and it felt slow and grabby, like iced skins. It seemed like that might be useful in super steep or exposed areas, where is is debatable whether it is better to be on foot or on boardbut certainly not if you had very far to go.
The biggest advantage that I saw in both modes was that they eliminate or at least greatly reduce slipping sideways on hard angled skin tracks and on kick turns. They don't add a huge advantage against slipping straight back. Is slipping straight back, i.e. wanting to go up a steeper track, your main concern?


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paulster wrote:
Is slipping straight back, i.e. wanting to go up a steeper track, your main concern?


Not really, sometimes it's a problem but something that usually can be solved by adding a switchback.

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The biggest advantage that I saw in both modes was that they eliminate or at least greatly reduce slipping sideways on hard angled skin tracks and on kick turns.


The main reason for crampons. For most of the slopes I use this for the fixed mode is optimal. The posts will be engaged for part of the route.

I found that with the Voile Crampons in freeheel mode, that the pivot would just lock up on me from time to time. Super annoying. Maybe I didn't have the engaged correctly, but since they are labeled left and right, I don't think that was the problem. Maybe it's just my steeze.


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By the way that mod is pretty f-ing schweet!


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paulster wrote:
When the riser bar is up, there is still about 20 mm of crampon in the snow at the front of the crampon and about 15 mm at the rear, enough to make a huge difference on hard snow.


As jive stick pointed out, you need more bite than that in dust-on-crust situations. Last spring I climbed a slope that had about a 1/2 inch of some kind of frozen sleet deposited on firm snow beneath. At 10:30, the whole top layer thawed and stopped sticking. It was wicked slippery and the crampon couldn't get to the firm layer below when in mobile mode. Another time I was on tracked up refrozen slush that was too textured for crampons to bite well in mobile mode. It seems like anytime the skins are inadequate, there is a good chance that little 3/4 inch crampons won't do the job either.

Also, the crampons accomodate the mobile mode by attaching to the slider track pin. That makes them a pain in the ass to install.

PS Sweet mod - Sparky! Do you have an estimate of your weight savings compared to the stock Voile system?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:24 am 
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hallo


my simpel vision works nice to . i can youse the smal slider pin .
in the future the crampons asambling comes from the backside of the slidertrack...... the problem is a second bold to hold the position ...


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second Foto.

@ JOGI - ich habs geschnallt wie s geht !!!! imagshake us. :idea:



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Wow! A carbon fiber slider track! 8)

How is that thing holding up to stress? How much does it weigh?

I weighed a regular slider track and slider pin this weekend, it was .45 lbs = 211grams.

How does your crampon stay in place in the slider track? Just by the groove for the pin? It seems like you are negating the weight savings with all those screws.

Regardless, VERY COOL! :)

Thanks for sharing burton!

ps. you know what the next step is don't you? ;)


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my carbon slider 124 g 231 mm long

voile alu 180 g 204 mm long

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Bumped to....ask Burton how are those carbon plates holding up a year later!

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hallo

1 year later - 15 times on track - the carbon slider works . nothing braked ore get down .


only the sliderpin has a littel gap - but not so much as a original voile slider with the same live time .
i think it works for the next 5 years with no trubbels ...

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