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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:14 am 
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Am I the only person who thinks that the Karakoram is waaaayy too over engineered?

There are way too many moving parts that could potentially break when your out backcountry. I think the hooks are are better than the Voile, but the rest is overkill, and wouldnt save much more time than any other system.

Why would anyone want to use the Karakoram when you have the simplest most effective alternative: Spark?

The sparks will never break as they are just a solid piece of aluminium with a simple pin, thats its, thats all you need.

Just my 2c.



When was the last time you drove your car, rode a bike, or flew in a 747? Most of these examples are WAAAAAAAAAY too over-engineered. The Karakoram binder doesn't even come close to the level of complexity that goes into any of these, let alone a modern ski binding.

Just for everyone's clarity, here is one side to side comparison:

# of screws holding binding together:

Spark: 12 + a removable pin
Split30: 10 + no removable pin

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:01 pm 
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bogong wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks that the Karakoram is waaaayy too over engineered?

Just my 2c.


Any kind of development in our sport is good. And new binding technology is what split-boarding needs right now. And with all the beta testing thats going to happen this season we are sure to see awesome bindings in the near future from the karakoram company.


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:30 pm 
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bogong wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks that the Karakoram is waaaayy too over engineered?

There are way too many moving parts that could potentially break when your out backcountry. I think the hooks are are better than the Voile, but the rest is overkill, and wouldnt save much more time than any other system.

Why would anyone want to use the Karakoram when you have the simplest most effective alternative: Spark?

The sparks will never break as they are just a solid piece of aluminium with a simple pin, thats its, thats all you need.

Just my 2c.

Personally I haven't tried them, but I do think its nice to have options, complicated or not.
BTW The first Spark designs did have failures. Life as we know it did not begin with the Fuse.
It'd be nice if people cut these guys (and other manufacturers) some slack.

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:12 pm 
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All I know is I cant wait to get my Karakorams....hopefully have em this week


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:30 pm 
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3:20 PM (1 hour ago)

Hey Brooks,

Just wanted to let you know your order has shipped. Here is the tracking number.

USPS: 0309 2xxx.............

Thanks for the support.

Bryce

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:11 pm 
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I just got back from Tylers house picking up my set, very cool to meet him and he shares the passion for the sport as much as we all do and his product shows that. Learned more in detail how the bindings work and I am super impressed on how the systems mechanics work together to pull the board together, from the board clips alone you could tell the difference and when you see how the bindings pull the board and bindings together.

Got to see the inner workings of the actual lever/pin mechanism and in reality it's not that complicated and from the looks of materials and workmanship it looks good to go, cant wait to get on the snow :headbang:


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:21 am 
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Anyone having any trouble opening the touring brackets. One of mine is really hard to open once in touring mode. I think I'm going to tie a piece of rope or something to make it easier to open.

Might be bent bracket?The other touring bracket is easier to open.

Gonna call and try to get a replacement

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:24 pm 
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Should be easy to move. You don't by any chance have the sticker bunched up under the touring bracket? If not you might have an issue with the one side. Call them. They will fix you up.


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:22 pm 
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I can say I'm really impressed after my first day on my Karakoram split 30!!

Touring made easy!!! Gonna post a review once i get a few more daze on them. I also have a set of LT-Pins from sparks for the fuse. Shipped today. So I will be testing both new touring brackets, and on a solution split to really spice things up.....Three daze on a solution and I can say it is a very well built and designed split!!

Oh and the bungee i tied to both touring levers rules, makes it super easy to locate the lever in pow!!

One of my touring brackets might have been bent by me :shock: I'm not sure. I know it really locks down, kinda like it that way! Makes ya feel safe.

As always..be safe out there and have fun sliding mountain!!

Stay tuned for full report on the Split 30!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:02 am 
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I'm still waiting for mine... hopefully soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
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Just got an email, mine are on the way!!! :rock:

As is my NS Summit Split!!! :rock:

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram?
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Will the climbing wires be extra? When can we expect them?


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