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 Post subject: Karakoram crampons suitable for light climbing?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:32 pm 
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I have been searching for this but have not found any solution:

I'm riding a Jones Solution 163w with Karakoram with crampons and I wonder if they will survive going up steep chutes etc with ONLY binding and crampon?

Meaning that I will have one or two ice axes and the board without bindings on my backpack.

Anyone?

It would be handy to use it on hard steep snow like this picture below.
(Hemsedal/Norway, a few days ago)

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram crampons suitable for light climbing?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:24 pm 
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The crampons have no points that are not parallel to the sides of your boots. Side hilling may work, but front pointing seems like a problem. I was also surprised by how much the crampons flexed up front. It seemed like it would not take much tweaking to get the crampon to pop off the bolt head they slide over as the front attachment point. A single step on a rock hidden in the snow and it seemed like the crampon would blow right off. In an emergency they may suffice, but I would not plan on using them for that purpose regularly.

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram crampons suitable for light climbing?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:26 am 
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Thank you for your nice insight Philip, appreciate it a lot.

I haven't tried it myself, but your points makes sense, especially the part about them popping off because of a weak mounting base.

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram crampons suitable for light climbing?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:37 pm 
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I'm thinking of bying a set of BD Contact crampons.

Any thoughts on these for a pair of Vans double-boa Cirro's?

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram crampons suitable for light climbing?
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As far as i've heard it is petzl who offer the best fit for snowboard boots, as their flexlock binding has a higher "back binding"

Neil Provo posted a review on backcountry.com a while back.
http://www.backcountry.com/bcs/review/the-Snowboarders-crampon/200108933.html

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram crampons suitable for light climbing?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:02 am 
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I second philip.ak's reasoning. Without the front points they won't hold very well and they flex enough to make them scary. If you're to the point where you need crampons the last thing you want to worry about is them coming off.

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram crampons suitable for light climbing?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:08 pm 
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There is one more choice: Grivel G10 WIDE, and much cheaper, than the Petzls


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram crampons suitable for light climbing?
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The BD crampons are OK but a little narrow for a snowboard boot in front. The toe attachment system is such that in some cases it can pull off to the side. Though rare, this is the last thing you want when you're in a place where you need crampons to begin with.

I believe the Camp ones are a bit wider. If you can find some old Stubai Ultralights, those things work great.


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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram crampons suitable for light climbing?
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I asked Jones about crampons at the further premier. He uses the BD contacts as they're his sponsor. He has small feet, and said on one climb they fell off like 20 times. I've got some old school ones..I think they're salewa's for 5 bucks at a mountaineers outdoors fest that are fully adjustable (length and width) and fit my size 11.5s great

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 Post subject: Re: Karakoram crampons suitable for light climbing?
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2x Jim w's rec for Stubai Ultralights, that's what you want.

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