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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:15 pm 
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Snurfer: I do not enjoy hiking dry rocky trail for any distance in a mountaineering boot (Nupste) a snowboard boot (Driver X) or a hard boot (Dynafit Zzero 3). If I am planning a tour, or trip that features significant distances on dry ground I will always carry the boots and wear a lightweight pair of trail runners. Remember, the mountaineering boots feature very stiff soles for climbing performance, and they can beat one up a bit on long hikes over dry trail and rocks.
Less weight on the feet is also more efficient for hiking, and the extra weight of carrying the trail runners is minimal.

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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:48 pm 
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Snurfer: I do not enjoy hiking dry rocky trail for any distance in a mountaineering boot (Nupste) a snowboard boot (Driver X) or a hard boot (Dynafit Zzero 3). If I am planning a tour, or trip that features significant distances on dry ground I will always carry the boots and wear a lightweight pair of trail runners. Remember, the mountaineering boots feature very stiff soles for climbing performance, and they can beat one up a bit on long hikes over dry trail and rocks.
Less weight on the feet is also more efficient for hiking, and the extra weight of carrying the trail runners is minimal.

Barrows, very good info. Thx :headbang:
Def throwing the Salomon runners on next time I do a long approach, and already talked to Gear X about the likely return of the Nuptse'. On the other hand I started life (boarding life that is) wearing high top Van's, then Sorel's, and I ride mostly powder, so.... who knows maybe I'll love them :scratch:

BTW... If anyone has clear photos of how they have solved the hard boot dilemma of being high off the board (i.e., mountain plate + slider plate) I'd probably give hard boots another look.

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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:12 pm 
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Snurfer, don't freak out... I was doing jump turns and 40-ish degree suncrust in the sierras last year in my Millet leather mountaineering boots w/ strap bindings. I think they work 95% as well as snowboard boots in strap bindings, with the advantage of better rock scrambling and crampon compatibility.

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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:26 pm 
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Shep wrote:
Snurfer, don't freak out... I was doing jump turns and 40-ish degree suncrust in the sierras last year in my Millet leather mountaineering boots w/ strap bindings. I think they work 95% as well as snowboard boots in strap bindings, with the advantage of better rock scrambling and crampon compatibility.

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Cool :thumpsup: I appreciate the reassurance on the performance.... Its nice to get a good cross section of opinions.

And since I totally hijacked the thread, I will be sure and post my opinion on sizing since that was the original topic. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:13 pm 
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Thanks guys, that helps solve the sizing issue. I'm still undecided, though.

I'd be using them with a highback, for sure. Either Sparks or my homemade bindings:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2029

I've been using the old Koflach Oxygen boots for the last few years, and I don't think these will be much different as far as flexibility. I put a pair of really stiff thermo liners in them, which helps a lot, and I'm planning on doing the same with the Nuptse's. I really like the setup I have right now, but the Oxygen's are hard to come by. Seems like the Nuptse is as close as I'm gonna get.

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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:42 pm 
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its worth looking at this boot as well. http://www.sportiva.com/products/prod/835

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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing. Mini review IMHO
PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:41 pm 
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First let me say, other than the weight and the boot length vs. board width, these are just my opinions. Others might have a totally different take.
Also, due to the return policy all testing on the board, walking, etc., had to be performed in my house. Dirt/Wear on boots = no return. So take this rudimentary revue for what it is. :twocents:

Weight and Fit

Driver X = 5.4 lbs (Sz 9.5)
Nuptse = 6.4 lbs (Sz 44)
I'd be better off with a 43 in this boot. Perhaps even a 42, like my softboots.
*I tend to ride softboots a half size small and all other shoes a half, to full size larger.
EDIT: My driver X liners slid right into the Nuptse's and caused them to feel more like the proper size
On the board / Strap binders (Ignition II bases,w/ Ride mid back)
These boots are very long heel to toe. Significant binder adjustment required to center over board. Even then, still pushes the point of toe and heel drag. [significant defined as "have to do" every time going from Nuptse to Driver X] :cry:
Feels really nice strapped in, would likely ride quite well. :thumpsup:
*I don't have mountain plates, but it seems like heel side carving wouldn't work for me. The boot just doesn't have enough forward lean built in.

Off the board
These would be killer for booting up in! :thumpsup:
Walking for a long way would be very weird. :nononno:

Other
Way too much shoe lace going on here for me. The liner laces are loooooong! :scratch:
Weird to get into, the liner wants to smash down into the boot and it has nothing on which to grab (no pull tab). Liner also seems too short for this boot. :scratch:
Construction is very cool and looks very solid. :thumpsup:

Bottom line
Returning, or selling these boots.

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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:06 pm 
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dacksdescents wrote:
its worth looking at this boot as well. http://www.sportiva.com/products/prod/835


Here is a nice review of the Spantik vs. Baruntse from cc.com. Sounds like the Baruntse may work, but has a bit more flex. While I haven't riden my
Spantiks yet they flex very similar to a Driver X/Malamute, and may be stiff enough with enough forward lean to ride with and without strap bindings, though won't know until we get some SNOW :banghead:

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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:10 pm 
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i recently took a look at these in the shop... dont hink i would personally go for em. the heel is sets your foot about 1.25 inches off the sole of the boot. i wouldnt want to be that far off my board. this also makes it a bit deceiving as to how high the cuff is.... there doesn't seem to be as much support as you'd expect


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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:06 pm 
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Snurfer wrote:
barrows wrote:
Snurfer: I do not enjoy hiking dry rocky trail for any distance in a mountaineering boot (Nupste) a snowboard boot (Driver X) or a hard boot (Dynafit Zzero 3). If I am planning a tour, or trip that features significant distances on dry ground I will always carry the boots and wear a lightweight pair of trail runners. Remember, the mountaineering boots feature very stiff soles for climbing performance, and they can beat one up a bit on long hikes over dry trail and rocks.
Less weight on the feet is also more efficient for hiking, and the extra weight of carrying the trail runners is minimal.

Barrows, very good info. Thx :headbang:
Def throwing the Salomon runners on next time I do a long approach...

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The guys at http://www.cascadeclassics.org/ (http://www.cascadeclassics.org/MountAda ... ng1998.htm for example!) and http://www.cascadecrusades.org/ been doing crazy ski mountaineering feats for years using tennis shoes for long approaches.

I finally got myself a pair of "trail runners", Vasque Velocity VST GTX (that's a mouthful!) and they are awesome! Did a three day, 22 mile backpacking trip on the Na Pali Coast Wilderness Trail in Kauai, HI and I am a convert to light (16 oz) footwear! I already shredded the mesh a little on lava rock so I'm worried I might really tear through them in the alpine but they fit my feet great and I didn't feel that much more strain or lack of stability compared to my full grain leather boots I usually wear even for lightweight backpacking (under 30 lbs pack).


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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:45 pm 
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aliasptr wrote:
I finally got myself a pair of "trail runners", Vasque Velocity VST GTX

:shock: Hmmm? don't know about the GTX, but the regular VST while being a very cool design have major quality issues.
I reviewed them in 08...YMMV
http://snurfer.blogspot.com/2008/08/vasque-velocity-vst.html

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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:43 am 
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Snurfer wrote:
aliasptr wrote:
I finally got myself a pair of "trail runners", Vasque Velocity VST GTX

:shock: Hmmm? don't know about the GTX, but the regular VST while being a very cool design have major quality issues.
I reviewed them in 08...YMMV
http://snurfer.blogspot.com/2008/08/vasque-velocity-vst.html


Yeah that was/is my major concern that I'm just going to destroy them, fast. Your review seems spot on to my experience so far. I'm just hoping to get some good use out of them before they're completely shredded!


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 Post subject: Re: Nuptse Sizing?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:38 pm 
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nickf wrote:
the heel is sets your foot about 1.25 inches off the sole of the boot. i wouldnt want to be that far off my board. this also makes it a bit deceiving as to how high the cuff is.... there doesn't seem to be as much support as you'd expect


hmmmm. That's a little concerning. Thanks for the info. I think I'm probably gonna wait until I can see them firsthand before buying a pair.

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