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 Post subject: Re: Are soft boots as effective as hb going up the slope?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:28 pm 
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I'm definitely not sold on siderals so far, (really stiff leaning back). I have voile plate bindings which are really just a stop gap before Phantoms or Spark dynos. I also have yet to tour with dynafit toe pieces which are clearly big advantage on the up.


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 Post subject: Re: Are soft boots as effective as hb going up the slope?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:46 am 
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Effectiveness can be debated, sure. Possibilities however are not limited.

Hard tail 26ers' can be a tiresome bitch on the way up, but they sure are fun as shit on the way down.


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 Post subject: Re: Are soft boots as effective as hb going up the slope?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:27 pm 
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I'm not sure how they differ on the feel up but I should be able to opine in the coming months. I just got a hold of a Dynafit ski setup (blasphemy - I know) and if it works out well, I'm going to try for a hardboot split setup. But for reference, here are the relative weights of my setups (actual measured weights without skins):

Voile V-tail, Spark Burner LT, Salomon Malamutes - 17.87 lbs
Dynafit C-Two ski, Speed Radical bindings, Dynafit TLT6 C-One boot - 12.12 lbs

That's 5.75 lbs!! of difference. Almost 3 lbs less per foot with every step I take.
As far as I can tell there isn't a soft boot setup that can even touch that. So I'm going to experiment with a hardboot splitty setup if this ski setup works out well for me. Otherwise I'm afraid this light ski setup is going to kill off my splitboarding permanently. I hope it doesn't cause skiing isn't anywhere near as fun in powder. I'm really excited about more lateral stiffness on traverses and more ankle articulation.

The only setup I have estimated can reach the weights I'm achieving on skis is the following (Estimated weights only):

Jones Ultracraft 5.5 lbs, TLT6 C-One boots 4.94 lbs, Phantom Bindings (tour mode only) = 11.97 lbs
Tour mode only because the bindings are in your pack on the way up.

Granted you are dropping a hella-ton of greenbacks to achieve a splitty setup like that.


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 Post subject: Re: Are soft boots as effective as hb going up the slope?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:12 pm 
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WhitePine wrote:
I'm not sure how they differ on the feel up but I should be able to opine in the coming months. I just got a hold of a Dynafit ski setup (blasphemy - I know) and if it works out well, I'm going to try for a hardboot split setup. But for reference, here are the relative weights of my setups (actual measured weights without skins):

Voile V-tail, Spark Burner LT, Salomon Malamutes - 17.87 lbs
Dynafit C-Two ski, Speed Radical bindings, Dynafit TLT6 C-One boot - 12.12 lbs

That's 5.75 lbs!! of difference. Almost 3 lbs less per foot with every step I take.
As far as I can tell there isn't a soft boot setup that can even touch that. So I'm going to experiment with a hardboot splitty setup if this ski setup works out well for me. Otherwise I'm afraid this light ski setup is going to kill off my splitboarding permanently. I hope it doesn't cause skiing isn't anywhere near as fun in powder. I'm really excited about more lateral stiffness on traverses and more ankle articulation.

The only setup I have estimated can reach the weights I'm achieving on skis is the following (Estimated weights only):

Jones Ultracraft 5.5 lbs, TLT6 C-One boots 4.94 lbs, Phantom Bindings (tour mode only) = 11.97 lbs
Tour mode only because the bindings are in your pack on the way up.

Granted you are dropping a hella-ton of greenbacks to achieve a splitty setup like that.


WP: Consider, a splitboard offers soft snow performance on par with a ski set up featuring skis with >120 mm waists, therefore, it is not fair to compare weights to much smaller skis. When one compares weights of a light, backcountry free ride ski setup (say DPS Lotus 120s, Dynafit Beast Bindings, and one of the burlier 4 buckle backcountry free ride boots) you will find comparable weights to lightweight split set ups (especially those with Phantom Bindings and TLT6s). it is wrong to compare a split set up to a really lightweight "touring" ski set up which is not nearly as capable of charging in soft and variable conditions as the split is.

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 Post subject: Re: Are soft boots as effective as hb going up the slope?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:26 pm 
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Very valid point, I'll concede. Let's try another scenario. Keep the same board (Vtail) and just swap for the boots and bindings. That still nearly a 2.5 lbs drop.

That has to be noticeable on the skin track right? Less fatiguing?


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 Post subject: Re: Are soft boots as effective as hb going up the slope?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:32 pm 
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WhitePine wrote:
Very valid point, I'll concede. Let's try another scenario. Keep the same board (Vtail) and just swap for the boots and bindings. That still nearly a 2.5 lbs drop.

That has to be noticeable on the skin track right? Less fatiguing?


There is no question that lighter weight on the feet is less fatiguing on the skin track. This is one reason why I love my setup so much. But I would never choose this set up if it did not also provide the absolute best riding performance on the way down. Phantom bindings interface the two board halves better than anything else out there, and the precision control and lack of over ally slop cannot be beat.

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 Post subject: Re: Are soft boots as effective as hb going up the slope?
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I am suprised no one has talked about the advantages if hb's while pooping in the backcountry.

For example the range of motion in the cuff allows for one to take up poses like the "thinking man" and "track start" much easier. And the rearward flex makes resting your back against a tree much easier.

Pair that with the low profile and stiff sole of the tlt6 and you have one of the easiest pairs of boots to poop in.

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 Post subject: Re: Are soft boots as effective as hb going up the slope?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:24 pm 
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adding on to Christoph's fantastic point... if you do happen to misfire and poop a bit on your boot - don't worry, as it will just bounce right off that hard shiny plastic :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Are soft boots as effective as hb going up the slope?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:58 am 
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Is this thread really even a question? ...smells more like a troll bait to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Are soft boots as effective as hb going up the slope?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:56 am 
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acopafeel wrote:
adding on to Christoph's fantastic point... if you do happen to misfire and poop a bit on your boot - don't worry, as it will just bounce right off that hard shiny plastic :thumbsup:


Plus, plastic surfaces are more easily disinfected! You'd be a real shitheel at that point. (can't believe this thread was revived!)


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