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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:28 am 
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Deeluxe needs to start making boots for bigger footed riders. I was stoked to get a pair of these this year, then found out they don't make anything bigger than 12.5. I am a 13. How can you make boots for men, and stop at 12.5. Bogus if you ask me...Went with Burton's Driver X.

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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:59 am 
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VTSplitBoarder wrote:
Deeluxe needs to start making boots for bigger footed riders. I was stoked to get a pair of these this year, then found out they don't make anything bigger than 12.5. I am a 13. How can you make boots for men, and stop at 12.5. Bogus if you ask me...Went with Burton's Driver X.



I'm more worried about the amount of overhang one will have if they buy these in a large size. Seems like the heel welts will create a longer sole that will cause toe/heel drag. Maybe that's why they don't make them bigger.

If you need a half size though, you could probably heat mold them to stretch a half size by bulking up the toe during the mold. Or buy some intuitions.


Do any of our big footed brethren have any reviews on the length of these boots and how they effect toe/heel drag?


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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:29 pm 
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shredgnar wrote:
I'm more worried about the amount of overhang one will have...

Me too, definitely.

I wanted to buy a Deeluxe Spark last year, size 12. However as it had a considerably longer sole than Flow The Ones or Burton Driver Xs, I went for a Flow The One.

Still, toe and heel drag is an issue for me, causing me to only buy boards with 27cm waist. And even with that waist there is some drag, when carving aggressively. (when I'm riding on piste on after-work-hikes)


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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:57 pm 
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Why not a 28 cm waist? Bigger footed guys usually have longer limbs and more leverage to over come the wide board. I ride only a 27 cm waist with size 12's(6 feet). :scratch: Still sometimes my toes do seem to stick out. The Fitwells look sweet as well, wonder what the size comparison is with the deluxes?


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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:57 pm 
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If you guys are keen I will take photos of a brand new pair of Fitwell and brand new Deeluxe Spark boot, in such a way to show the relative binding toe/heel overlap in ride and touring mode, how does that sound? I have sold a pair of Fitwell in size US11.5, the guy is riding a Never Summer Summit split with Spark Blazes, no probs at all. Here is his review. http://issuu.com/splitn2/docs/fitwellbackcountry/1

The Sparks are quite a bit bulkier and not nearly as durable, although one pair of sparks I sold have done 120+ days, but are pretty much trashed now after a fair bit of touring and riding. That said the Sparks are a little cheaper, bangs for bucks basically.

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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:21 am 
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Yeah, for you big hoofed guys, don't discount the Fitwell's eh. Mine are lower external volume/profile than the Salomon's I was riding previously - which were fairly low volume. I tend to avoid wide "wide" boards.

Don't assume that being big footed means you can't get the benefits of a heel welt and solid alpine focused construction. It might cost a bit, but I guess there's a reason for that eh.

Cool to see Deeluxe are progressing the Spark boot too. I was talking technical crampons with a local supplier of mountaineering gear recently, he can't believe how far snowboard boots have come.


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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:37 am 
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Zude wrote:
Why not a 28 cm waist?

Well, it's not exactly that easy to buy boards with that waist.
Actually the only serial production board I know with such a waist is the (solid) Elan El Grande 171 (28,4cm).

Most companies believe, that a board with 26cm waist is "wide"... :cry:

I purchased a Prior Spearhead 178 XTC this year (26,5cm waist claimed, in fact 27cm waist fortunately). I could have opted for a 28cm waist as a custom job, however this would have cost another USD500 which I didn't want to spend.

Apart from that, it's getting more and more difficult to hike, the wider your board is. Especially in Europe, where there will be ski-sized skin tracks on most mountains.


@richie: thanks for the link!

tr_nz wrote:
Yeah, for you big hoofed guys, don't discount the Fitwell's eh. Mine are lower external volume/profile than the Salomon's I was riding previously - which were fairly low volume.

Sound's good!
Perhaps I can find a shop in Austria, where I can slip into Fitwells to see whether they fit.


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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:23 pm 
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@richie: just read the review, thanks a lot!
How would you compare the Fitwell's stiffness to, say, Burton Driver Xs or Flow The Ones?


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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:30 am 
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In my own experience I can compare best with the Deeluxe Spark since I have a pair of each, the Fitwell is not quite as stiff, but my take on that is because it is specifically designed for touring/mountaineering/riding. I run 2 sets of liners and to be honest the standard ones are just fine, but because we do get plenty of hard conditions here in NZ a stiffer Intuition liner does the trick for those icy/hardpack days, but if I am doing any hiking and split touring I would use the standard liners for sure. The standard liner is a great campsite/tent option too, I just leave the outers in the tent fly. The Fitwell is way way less bulky than the Deeluxe too. I have a gut feel its a tad softer flex than the Driver X'x too. As far as I know this is the only boot made by a bona-fide backcountry boot specialist manufacturer, with the same methods and materials in the same Italian factory as a range of great high performance mountaineering boots from Fitwell. I am so stoked with my own Fitwell Backcountry boots I doubt I'll be buying another pair of boots for quite some time, I know it will be a challenge wearing them out!

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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:55 pm 
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The thing with Burton Driver Xs or Flow The Ones is that they both flex to an extent through the sole (note, while I have handled these boots in shopes, I've not ridden them, but have ridden other "stiff" boots). The Backcountry doesn't (or, flexes about as much as a "fully rigid" leather mountaineering boot). This means that the lower part of the boot is really sensitive to weight changes from the heel to the toe and vice versa. So while the upper isn't as stiff as some other boots, I think overall the flex pattern is quite different to most other boots in general. This isn't a bad thing at all, and I'm really enjoying the ride (had a really great late spring day on Saturday). These are pretty damn responsive boots eh!


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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:44 pm 
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So for those that have ridden/worn these Deeluxe XV, what's your impression as an actual mountaineering boot for light climbing, and Search and Rescue duty sporting some of the G10's geared towards Snowboard boots? Although from the sounds of the sizing, my Drivers are at the max settings on my Burner bindings. Sounds like I'd have to get the bigger straps/replace my bindings..(size 9.5 - 10).

anyway mostly curious if (for those of you that have worn these) felt that they would be good for the skin track in, and have enough flex to not be encumbered when I'm on a probe line/digging bodies out of the snow. Speaking of which, I have a wide foot (4D), how are these boots for wide footed people?

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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:38 am 
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Do anyone know how these are compared to the T1s when it coms to size?


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 Post subject: Re: Just picked up new Spark Deeluxe XVs, first impressions...
PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:06 pm 
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JamieD wrote:
So for those that have ridden/worn these Deeluxe XV, what's your impression as an actual mountaineering boot for light climbing?

Speaking of which, I have a wide foot (4D), how are these boots for wide footed people? Thanks


I think you'll be fine, but remember it's a snowboard boot with some features which help with climbing (sole), not a mountaineering boot. Before pulling the trigger I'd highly recommend checking them out in a store in person.

My feeling is that they'd be fine for a wide foot, but again you'll want to do a test fit in person. I have no idea what 4D means. Hope this helps.


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