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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:10 pm 
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^^^
stoked to see fitwell reading these forums.

with enough input maybe one day the perfect backcountry snowboard boot will be created,

fitwells are close, dynafits are close, deeluxe...not quite as close...

why cant these have a toe welt?

its true dynafits (or other hard boots) change your shred capabilities, but the point is moot since when you really need those boots you are riding carefully, when you want to bone it out or shred super pow just ride soft boots, its not hard to bootpack up a pow filled coulior in softies. no need for hard boots in these situations, the AT boots are for real mountaineering applications. i dont think we will ever see someone in the future riding true mountaineering lines in soft boots, at least not until there is a spantik version of fitwells!

lets see what jones does with higher. so far he has done the grand...which is not higher, it is lower.

i want to see someone shred denali lines, high altitude himalayas and karakorum's, and the andes.

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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:22 pm 
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BGnight wrote:
I do think in the next few years that hardbooting will die once "soft" snowboard specific mountaineering boot technology keeps improving.


that would be sweet!

or possibly a hard boot developed for snowboarding???

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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:35 pm 
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Christoph bennells, FYI, Jones just knocked off a few pretty substantial objectives in AK this summer, one of them being Denali. I would assume the gear he used was Karakorams and either Fitzwells or Deluxe.


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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
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sweet! cant wait to see it!

any links to web pages, or pics, or knowledge of what line they did?

i saw some fb posts of a filmer dude going to the andes, i think to possibly film with higher?

its just good to see progression in this area of snowboarding, which has been static and quite underground for the past number of years.

i've talked some trash on jones, of course its just internet babble, progression in the products will lead to progress in the activity...

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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:59 pm 
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ahh, upon further inspection it looks like he went up with conrad anker's expedition just about a month ago,

back to the topic, any american fitwell retailers yet?

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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
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instagram pics looks like he is in the new spark summits?

and also another splitter on the trip, and conrad anker are on tlt's...

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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:47 pm 
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christoph benells wrote:
another splitter on the trip, and conrad anker are on tlt's...

Well it probably wasn't Backstrom. So... Dude, John -Frackking- Krakauer rips it on a board! :thatrocks: What a TR. What a crew! :rock: Congrats Jones.
http://jonessnowboards.com/?p=6421&opti ... &Itemid=57


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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:47 am 
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"I dont think we will ever see someone in the future riding true mountaineering lines in soft boots, at least not until there is a spantik version of fitwells!"

Here's russman on the Edmond's headwall rockin' fitwells. Sunday, we're both going to try to climb the NFNWR on Adams in these.
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And Jones just climbed and shredded the Orient Express in fitwells. These boots are the real deal. Once they get refined and lightened up I think you'll see less and less hard boots on true mountaineering lines.


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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
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Stoked to see the boot progression. But hardboots arent going anywhere as long as softboots lack the rearward flex and dynafit toe piece. No comparison for long skin approaches. If softies ever get that advanced I could see having a one boot quiver. Also, laces blow.

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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
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^^^^^this

I just picked up dynafit liners w/rearward flex zone stoked to try these when the snow returns.

Straps blow too
the simplicity of a plate vs strap is cleaner, "set&forget", the boot can be as soft/flexy as you like. if there's toe/heel welts for crampons you don't need straps.

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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
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You guys and your long strides. So overrated. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
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Sorry to bust your balls bg, but I'm talking mountains like broad peak, Makalu, etc.

Not rainier.

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 Post subject: Re: Fitwell Backcountry
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Christoph: I am a bit confused by some of your posts here? You are aware that substantial snowboard descents have been going down in the Andes, Himalaya, and high mountains of AK for a couple of decades now. These descents have been accomplished on a variety of different boot choices. See this article for one of the better descents done in the Andes, Cordillera Blanca, Artesonraju:

http://bluemagazine.uberflip.com/i/25123/46

By Jason Shutz and Jon Griber.

I see no reason why the Fitwells, properly fitted, and with overboots if going to 8K meters, could not be used for descents of the highest peaks in the world. The Fitwells would not be my choice, but they could work. In fact, if choosing a strap binding system, I would be more concerned by the straps and ratchet buckles than anything else, seeing how often they tend to break in cold conditions. I think I would want someone to develop a carbon fiber strap, and some custom built bail style buckles to avoid breakage. Note that the late Marco Siffredi broke a strap binding on his successful Everest descent. Note also, that descents of this nature are less likely to be done with splitboards; for really huge peaks, approaches are easily accomplished by walking over dry ground and hard snow/glacial ice, and a super light solid board is the best bet. So touring performance of the boots is not an issue, but climbing performance, warmth, and comfort would be.

There are two prime lines, for those interested in the highest, most beautiful, and most challenging descents in the world, which have not been skied or snowboarded: The Direct North Face of Mount Everest (Hornbein to Japanese couloirs), so far attempted by Stephen Koch, and Marco Siffredi (who disappeared during his attempt), among others, and the Lhotse Couloir on Everest's neighbor, Lhotse. In the Andes, it would be really cool to see someone attempt Yerupaja in the Cordillera Huayash.

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