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  • #579422
    HBob
    3 Posts

    Hey, Im new to splitboarding and just bought the last pieces of my setup; my avi gear.

    While I was researching and shopping for shovels it occurred to me that buying a really good shovel was really for whoever Im riding with.

    Why isnt it common practice to give your shovel to whoever you are riding with? Aside from the weight issue wouldnt you rather someone else in your group have your badass super sturdy shovel and you have their POS that will fold in half the second they try to dig you out?

    Anyone here ever called someone out on having bad gear?

    Im sure you mostly ride with friends you trust but this situation must come up?

    #673459
    Jefe009
    675 Posts

    I certainly hope that whoever is riding with me has gear and knowledge to help me out of any unfortunate situations that arise… I have never needed to lend my shovel to anyone, and they never to me. I think it’s good practice to check out any new potential riding partners before hitting the trail and getting in over your head with someone who’s unprepared. My :twocents:

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    #673460
    shoestring
    197 Posts

    ditto jefe009

    this post in kinda weird – i only ride with partners i trust (part of that trust is knowing they have adequate gear and know how to use it).

    #673461
    iriecoyote
    291 Posts

    A couple years ago I politely called a potential riding partner on their super-crappy shovel and gave some reasons why a sturdy shovel matters. Needless to say that partnership fell apart but I hope he bought a better shovel anyway.

    #673462
    fustercluck
    668 Posts

    Years ago I totally got called out for riding with a cheap shovel, one of those Lifelink lexan things. I bought it partly due to their claim that the blade wouldn’t break. It didn’t occur to me that it wouldn’t chop through icy avy chunks, either. Needless to say, I purchased a beefier shovel. The same case can be made for beacons. Would you rather your partner ride with something all tricked out and complicated with a shorter range, or something simple that works at greater distances? As mentioned above, choose partners wisely, hopefully ones with quality gear and the mountain sense to keep out of situations where that gear is needed.

    #673463
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Yeah, I bought one of the tiny BD shovels. Thought I would just use it in my sidecountry pack. I actually used it for fun in an avy class I helped with to see if anyone would notice and say anything. After using it to dig a few pits, I realized that it actually worked pretty well. Since I wasn’t lifting heavier amounts of snow, I could dig more quickly and was less fatigued. People actually noticed and started to say “Damn! He shovels fast with that little shovel!”

    BTW longer range beacons have actually started to be blamed for slowing down search times because they lead the searches further out of the way, following a larger curve of signal. There might also be more interference from other beacons. Just something to think about.

    What shovel do you guys use? I’ve really like my BCA Dozer. Big shovel, flat blade, flat on top too for kicking in with your foot, lightweight, and it also functions as a hoe. The hoe can help for digging more efficiently depending on the snow consistency.

    #673464
    nickstayner
    700 Posts

    @shredgnar wrote:

    What shovel do you guys use?

    Voile Telepro D-Handle: http://www.voile.com/voile-avalanche-shovels/voile-telepro-t6-avalanche-shovel.html

    Very burly, came highly recommended by a lot of avalanche professionals (patrollers, avy center folks) I know.

    #673465
    b0ardski
    251 Posts

    I’ve had my voile telepro for 25 yrs since I was telewhacking to the goods in the ’80s. It’s beat up but
    sturdy as ever. Been wanting something lighter weight
    but can’t justify the cost.

    ps, cost about the same in ’88 ($45) which means it’s a bargain today

    #673466
    96avs01
    875 Posts

    Winter or multi-day trips = older Voile T6 w/snow saw

    Spring daytrips = Ortovox Grizzly 1

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    #673467
    chrishami
    194 Posts

    @nickstayner wrote:

    @shredgnar wrote:

    What shovel do you guys use?

    Voile Telepro D-Handle: http://www.voile.com/voile-avalanche-shovels/voile-telepro-t6-avalanche-shovel.html

    Very burly, came highly recommended by a lot of avalanche professionals (patrollers, avy center folks) I know.

    I have the small BD Deploy. When one of the guys in my Avy L1 last year pulled his out the little metal button clip thing popped out into the snow and was promptly lost. So his handle wasn’t fixed to the blade… as a result I’ve been considering a Brooks Range with a serrated blade, or either the BCA Dozer or K2 shovel which have the hoe option.

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    163/26 Venture Helix

    #673468
    iriecoyote
    291 Posts

    Ortovox Kodiak. Very solid and has a ho option for when things get lonely. I also carry an ortovox probe w/ steel cable. I don’t mind the extra weight of either of these items considering their purpose.

    #673469
    burton
    329 Posts

    my shovels are voile xlm and miniteleprp t6, the crashed ice makers :thumpsup:
    dont go out with a Partner in bad condition, and bad stuff.

    bURTON

    #673470
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    @HBob wrote:

    Why isnt it common practice to give your shovel to whoever you are riding with?

    I understand where you are coming from and it makes sense to an extent. It still doesn’t change the incentive structures; unlike mandatory auto insurance which covers the other guy, swapping shovels does not reduce moral hazard. In addition to the “it’s my shovel. Get your own” factor. . .
    I ride with mittens and can’t use T-gripped shovels well.
    I don’t know how to put your shovel together as well as mine.
    Not all blades fit in all packs.
    Why should I carry 96avs01’s saw?

    Other factors go into purchasing a shovel too. They’re used for more than digging out your friends: snow stability tests, platform for a stove, building kickers, holding snow saws, etc.

    I happen to like trailhead ritual shaming of the party member without a proper shovel. “Dude. You’d leave me there buried to die? You used to be cool.” As we all turn our backs to him in disgrace.

    This is, of course, all in good fun to emphasize the importance of having the right tools and attitude to save a life…and to pressure the bloke to get a frakking shovel.
    But seriously, we make him carry the heaviest shovel among us. Fortunately, I keep an E-tool in the back of my car for emergencies (and just this situation 😆 )

    @shredgnar wrote:

    What shovel do you guys use?

    G3’s AviTECH w/D-grip. It’s burley and the handle has a waterproof stash compartment. :doobie: (but I’m not cool and use it to hold nuts and bolts to turn my board into an emergency sled.

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    #673471
    meatsauce
    34 Posts

    Hmmm…

    Just because you have a shovel doesn’t mean you know how to use it.

    Lexan – metal – aluminum – titanium – carbon, I simply don’t and wouldn’t give a xxxx. It’s dig hoe and clear teamwork time.

    Practice with any hoe shovel and you will see its advantage firsthand.

    #673472
    Jason4
    443 Posts

    My slacker pack has an old Ortovox lexan bladed shovel and an a 230cm probe but I’m never out of sight of the ski area with that kit. My reason for the plastic blade is that it hurts less when I fall. 😀 I have been digging in the snow for over 20 years and have yet to break a lexan shovel but it’s always been in wet maritime snow. Every aluminum bladed shovel that I’ve ever spent much time digging with has been bent and flattened out.

    My touring pack has a 300cm heavy duty probe and an aluminum shovel mostly because I can set my stove on the shovel blade and it won’t melt into the snow when I’m using it. I don’t build too many kickers any more so that blade is only used for digging pits and leveling tent sites. I haven’t flattened it yet but might pick up either a Brooks Range shovel with the shark teeth or something that has a hoe option with a metal blade.

    Knowledge and practice is more important than shiny tools and fitness is more important than hardness of boots.

    #673473
    ieism
    298 Posts

    @fustercluck wrote:

    Years ago I totally got called out for riding with a cheap shovel, one of those Lifelink lexan things. I bought it partly due to their claim that the blade wouldn’t break. It didn’t occur to me that it wouldn’t chop through icy avy chunks, either. Needless to say, I purchased a beefier shovel. The same case can be made for beacons. Would you rather your partner ride with something all tricked out and complicated with a shorter range, or something simple that works at greater distances? As mentioned above, choose partners wisely, hopefully ones with quality gear and the mountain sense to keep out of situations where that gear is needed.

    Same thing in my Avy class. We all laughed at the “girls shovel” one dude had. Untill my arms fell off after 5 minutes, and he was still happily paddling lots of snow downward with his tiny blade. I think you generally want the best shovel for you to use in your pack. I went from a Telepro to a much smaller shovel because I can actually dig faster with that. But most important of all is to practice this in real packed snow. Stick a probe 150cm deep and try to dig it out as fast as you can.

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    #673474
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    As I understand it, there’s a place for both shovels in an emergency. Teams work best when they have both and exploit each shovel’s comparative advantage.
    While both shovels can do all jobs, large scoopers (and serrated blades) break more debris faster while smaller blades paddle it along, out of the way faster.
    In the “V” of strategic shoveling, the large shovel is “on point” while the smaller blades are on the wings.
    Now an argument can be made that smaller blades focus your swing energy onto a smaller edge, thereby breaking hard snow better. I don’t really know.

    If all things were equal, I’d rather travel in a crew with an assortment of shovels than all big or all small.

    @ieism wrote:

    But most important of all is to practice this in real packed snow. Stick a probe 150cm deep and try to dig it out as fast as you can.

    Practice each time you dig a pit.

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