Forums Bindings Which bindings fit my new hardboot (F2 + Garmont Megalite?)
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  • #580396
    Mr_Orange
    76 Posts

    I’m thinking of getting the F2 Carve RS (Size S, mondo 22-26) binding for my new Garmont Megalite (mondo 26).

    After a little bit of research, I saw a photo of a ski boot that looks way too small for a bail that got me worried:

    Here’s another incident of plate binding + ski boot incompatibility issues:
    http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?29870-Help-on-setup-of-Garmont-Mega-Ride-boots-in-TD3-Standard-bindings

    On the other hand, when looking through these forums, several people have recommended the use of F2 bindings with AT boots (and even a case of modifying the F2’s to go on voile plate).

    So, is this going to an issue for me with what the F2 Carve binding I want to get? And also, is the size small appropriate?

    I’m open to other options too. The F2 Carve is at a pretty good price. I’m trying to find the binding with most lateral flex. Anyone know how this binding stacks up flex-wise compared to the Ibex / Burton race bindings?

    Stack height is another issue I’m thinking about. I have a pretty wide board (265 waist) for my foot size (9). I hear a lot of good things about how the Phantom bindings are so low. However, with my board being so wide, wouldn’t a higher binding like the f2 give me the extra leverage for edge to edge control on groomers, making it feel like a narrower sized board? Then with the extra width, i still get the extra flotation benefits in powder. If this makes no sense, then I’m open to the lower height bindings like the ibex, or spark dyno, or firstlight, maybe even phantoms (…so expensive)

    To elaborate on my situation: I don’t have a splitboard setup yet. I have plans to get into touring in the near future but currently can’t afford to get all the stuff needed. I do however need new boots right away since my current soft boots are breaking apart and warping. I figuired id just get the hardboot part of it first since i found the Megalite’s at a very good price.

    #678593
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    Welcome to the Hard-side….

    While, I have not ridden the Garmont Megalite boots or the F2 bindings, I have ridden the following bindings, Burton Race, SnowPro, Voile Mountain Plates, Bomber Splitboard and Bomber Sidewinder Splitboard. Both Burton and the SnowPro were modded to the Voile Slider Tracks.

    As far as these bindings go; the Sidewinders followed by the Burton Race Plates were the most flexible medially.
    I waiting on Sparks Dyno’s to arrive (Backordered! 😥 )
    Concerning how an AT boot should fit in the HB binding. The boot/binding should fit snug with no movement of the boot under the bails. The front bail should click-in under tension. But to tight the one breaks the toe bail (plastic). I had trouble getting the Voile Mountain Plate to right tension.

    Looking at your picture I saw a photo of a ski boot that looks way too small for a bail that got me worried: Yeah it is too small or heel bail has a stop that needs a mod. On Alpine Snowboard Boots (HBs) the heal stack height is a couple millimeters higher than an AT boot. When I purchased the Bomber Sidewinders at the Bomber Shop (Silverthrone), Finn grinded down rear bail stop to accommodate a lower heel stack height of the Scarpa F1s.

    Mr_O. Do you have your split set-up already? You mentioned a wide board. Are you planning a DIY project? If so may I suggest as you look around for a factory board that fits you and your style. Hint look on Ebay for venturesnow (aka venture snowboards) is selling their demo fleet or on their website under bargin bin. If you need to save some coin in-order to get a Hard boot splitboard setup, it can be done for much less than a retail splitboard setup (softboot setup). All it takes is looking for bargains over a couple of months.

    Such as the Garmonts you purchased. So I think you are on the right track to try the AT boots on the groomers first. Shop around for a Burton Race Plates, Snow Pros or F2s. (typically sell on Ebay for around a $80 to $120 (which is what the One binding system goes for).

    Be willing to adjust your stance as so that it feels natural. Your stance will probably be different than what your softboot set up was. If that still does not feel right. Consider cants (and canted pucks) may help. Concerning the Dynafit Splitboard setup (with G3 dual riser), limits the minimum stance width and angles, if choose a narrow stance. (This why I would like to get a pair of Phantom Risers, instead of my G3s dual risers). These bindings can be modded to voile slider tracks. However, still need to save more coin, then try the Voile Mountain Plate, although they did not work for me.

    I would not worry about stack height, just starting out, but I would look for the right size splitboard. I made the mistake of getting the wrong size board too big and too wide starting out. It made a huge difference when I got my Storm in the proper size.

    Lastly, you do not have to modify your new Hard Boots (at least not right away)! I ride stock Scarpa F1s with Eliminator Custom Tongues which give a nice progressive forward lean. see http://www.tognar.com/the-eliminator-custom-tongues-pair/ These tongues allow for a little more lateral flex. So I ride my boots that are just snug.

    Sorry for my long post. Just my :twocents: Hope this helps out. :thumpsup:

    #678594
    maniacdave
    564 Posts

    My Scarpa F1s sit in the F2 Race heel block/bail much the same way as your photo. With the front bail locked in, the tension actually sucks the rear welt of the boot into the bail, and the boot heel actually sits 1/8″ off the heel block. Probably not going to win a world cup, but no ill effects suffered as of yet. Also waiting on backordered Dynos, F2s on Voile plates are crazy heavy…

    That was Pontus

    #678595
    NorwegianDan
    109 Posts

    I have a set of F2s and voile plates and pucks for sale if your interested. I upgraded to the phantoms.

    I found this a great setup. Nice and flexy from front to rear, solid edge to edge. You do ride a little high, but that never bothered me tbh. Weight, sure it is a little on the heavy side. Super easy to adjust bails, and AT boots fit great – I ran these with the dynafit one and scarpa F3 boots.

    #678596
    Mr_Orange
    76 Posts

    First off, thanks for the thorough response.

    @Powder_Rider wrote:

    As far as these bindings go; the Sidewinders followed by the Burton Race Plates were the most flexible medially.

    I’ve been researching on the bomberonline forums and extreme carving forums and I remember someone mentioned that the F2’s and the even softer Burton/Ibex have a more dynamic flex from just the softness of the bails and base structure whereas the sidewinder’s have a strictly lateral flex through that unique mechanism while the bails are stronger and keep you locked in. They were trying to explain why F2’s and burtons are so popular amongst alpine racers. Have you noticed any distinctions in the quality of flex in the bindings you’ve tried?

    @Powder_Rider wrote:

    I waiting on Sparks Dyno’s to arrive (Backordered! 😥 )

    I’m wondering how these compare to the Firstlight bindings in terms of flex. I assume the firstlight’s have more flex since the Dyno’s have the sturdier bomber bails.

    @Powder_Rider wrote:

    Concerning how an AT boot should fit in the HB binding. The boot/binding should fit snug with no movement of the boot under the bails. The front bail should click-in under tension.

    Do most bindings have a certain spectrum of adjustability? Can you slide the bails back the forth? On the F2 size chart, a Small is mondo 22-26 and a Medium is 26-29. My boot is a 26 so I’m not sure which one to go with. Too bad not many shops around where you can just try them out like with strap bindings.

    Also, would ‘step-in’ bindings have less issues with getting the right fit since you have to change the heels to specialized ones. I noticed Bomber’s got sidewinder step-ins.

    BTW, i noticed they don’t sell the “sidewinder splitboard bindings” but they do sell the “Sidewinder uppers” in regular and step-ins. Is that the same thing just upper binding pieces without the voile track (and you just by the voile track yourself)?

    @Powder_Rider wrote:

    When I purchased the Bomber Sidewinders at the Bomber Shop (Silverthrone), Finn grinded down rear bail stop to accommodate a lower heel stack height of the Scarpa F1s.

    What boots and boot size do you have? And what are the sizes of the bindings you’ve tried. Were there any bindings where they just fit right without any modifications to the boot or binding?

    @Powder_Rider wrote:

    I would not worry about stack height, just starting out, but I would look for the right size splitboard. I made the mistake of getting the wrong size board too big and too wide starting out. It made a huge difference when I got my Storm in the proper size.

    I do plan on doing a DIY split eventually. I read on these boards that some have cut their boards down to a tapered shape successfully during the splitting process. I figured I can just go a bit wider first, see how that feels, and maybe do the taper split thing if I feel like i need sharper turning. After testing my board, I actually don’t mind the width too much. It only feels slightly weird when you’re going very slow on flat areas. Carvers on the bomber boards say that extra height gives you more edge to edge leverage, and they already have very narrow boards. So i just though throwing on more height in the bindings on a wider board would replicate the same feel of going to a narrower board.

    @Powder_Rider wrote:

    These tongues allow for a little more lateral flex.

    I’ve used elminator tongues for the last few years on my soft boots. Really like them. Didn’t really notice more lateral flex though? Lateral flex is like what the Bomber sidewinders mechanism has right? Are we talking about the same thing? Like this sort of a thing:

    #678597
    Mr_Orange
    76 Posts

    @NorwegianDan wrote:

    I have a set of F2s and voile plates and pucks for sale if your interested.

    What size are your F2’s. S, M, L?

    Do you have the full intact original F2’s or did you remove the upper sections and put them on the voile plates already? Or did you just put the entire F2 onto the voile plate?

    And are we talking about the F2 race titanium (that’s the more common one right)?

    Would this work sizing-wise with my mondo 26 boots?

    #678598
    NorwegianDan
    109 Posts

    @Mr_Orange wrote:

    @NorwegianDan wrote:

    I have a set of F2s and voile plates and pucks for sale if your interested.

    What size are your F2’s. S, M, L?

    Do you have the full intact original F2’s or did you remove the upper sections and put them on the voile plates already? Or did you just put the entire F2 onto the voile plate?

    And are we talking about the F2 race titanium (that’s the more common one right)?

    Would this work sizing-wise with my mondo 26 boots?

    Cant remember size, I’ll have a look. Probably a L. My boots are 270 mondo and I have no doubt you will be able to use your 26 mondo – infact I think any size boot will fit since you are bolting it on the voile plates.

    I have the full complete F2 Carve RS (Not titanium). I did take them of their original bases, but nothing broken or modified so they bolt back on like new.

    I boltet the toe and heel pieces on the voile plates with the rubber gasket between to avoid having to sand down the “V” track.

    #678599
    Mr_Orange
    76 Posts

    Going to hold off on the binding for now. I might actually have to get a smaller size boot after doing some research on boot sizing.

    #678600
    NorwegianDan
    109 Posts

    @Mr_Orange wrote:

    Going to hold off on the binding for now. I might actually have to get a smaller size boot after doing some research on boot sizing.

    Like I said, size doesn’t matter with these on voile plates. anyway pm me if your interested.

    #751115
    carversplit
    20 Posts

    Don’t give up. I think you are getting some great advice. There may be another binding choice soon for the hardbooter on a budget. Message me if you have any ?’s. Thanks.

    #753451
    Mr_Orange
    76 Posts

    Don’t give up. I think you are getting some great advice. There may be another binding choice soon for the hardbooter on a budget.

    This guy’s selling a bunch of proflex bindings (the older f2 bindings) brand new on ebay. Someone mentioned they’ve purchased from him and it’s legit. Here’s one of them:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Proflex-Freecarve-Hard-Binding-for-Hardboots-New-Affordable-Incl-Safety-Straps-/251751323673?pt=Snowboarding&hash=item3a9d8c5819

    Still hesitant about the back heel being area being loose though.

    Someone suggested on another forum to put intec toe bails (the height adjustable ones) on the heel area to address the stack height issue. This is from the F2 step in bindings.

    They sell them separately on this site:

    F2 INTEC Toe Plate Assembly (Medium):
    http://www.yyzcanuck.com/store/F2-INTEC-Toe-Plate-Assembly-Medium.html

    The heel bails looks like they might be a bit taller than the toes though:

    F2 Race Heel Plate Complete (Medium, 6mm)
    http://www.yyzcanuck.com/store/F2-Race-Heel-Plate-Complete-Medium-6mm.html

    I emailed that yyzcanuck and they didn’t want to give any suggestions on F2 bindings outside the use of alpine carving specific boots.

    Also ordered a set of Spark Dyno DH from REI just to get an idea of how bails fit. Most likely will return though and get something cheaper.

    #756813
    carversplit
    20 Posts

    No, I am not selling old resort bindings. I work for an amazing telemark binding company and have used my time and experience there to start my own SMALL company. I hope I am not breaking any forum rules . I will be releasing a beta test of 2 dozen pairs of hardboot binders and adapter plates for Dynafit speed radicals. I am also working on the website. Still working full time. I am very busy.
    I have been a member on this site since 2005 and splitboarding for some time before that. I have lots of experience with hardboots and will always ride the alpine style. I attended the first few scrubfests on Togwotee Pass in Wyoming if anyone remembers those. More later…

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